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    Player Xilk's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafein View Post
    It wasn't meant in a literal sense... holding them for an unreasonable amount of time. Happy now?
    Uhmmm the disagreement wasn't about holding it for a long time... it was about a 5/5 perle bst doing it. You need 2x pdt- axes upgraded, ferine quijotes +1 or 2, and anwig salade, at least to do it....

    Total bull. With a set up that allows pets to take 0 damage, neither you nor your pet could accumulate enough hate to be tanking in the first place because you've got no/only 1 damage dealing atmas equipped.

    And every single enemy has either an instant death move, a hate reset move, a throat stab, casts magic, or simply one shots the pet with a ws when the regen takes it to 51% hp, so it's a moot point anyway. Your pet will still take very impressive amounts of damage and lose hate right quick, or die outright. It was, at best a good tank when the two real tanks you brought are both weakened. And with Mijin Gaikure that rarely happened anyway.
    and you obviously misunderstood my post.

    Pre-nerf tanking Ningishzada was very easy. RR + Lion both counted towards DD. Triple attack is nice to have on pet afterall. and when pet was taking 0 damage its really hard for NM to reduce hate on it. Especially when I snarl after every rampage.
    Also, pre-nerf, I was not using a regen atma.. that would be silly. It only allowed mobs to do more damage on pet. pet goes down ot 50% hp and stays there indefinitely unless there were a good DoT or spell.

    This is kinda moot now anyway, but I had no trouble tanking for a SMALL group or party before the nerf. I kept hate ON the pet. well, until my war friend got Ukko's fury anyway... I couldn't keep hate from that going off..
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    Last edited by Xilk; 09-26-2011 at 10:17 PM.
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    Player Zaknafein's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilk View Post
    Uhmmm the disagreement wasn't about holding it for a long time... it was about a 5/5 perle bst doing it. You need 2x pdt- axes upgraded, ferine quijotes +1 or 2, and anwig salade, at least to do it....
    Which is exactly what I said. Pre nerf anyone with Ducal & Lion could burn their bst to 90 make two pdt axes (which is shockingly easy) go buy some jugs, and pet food then proceed to whittle away at a variety of NM's. Was that zero pdt? No. However it was plenty to get the job done in most cases.

    People started bandwagoning this because instead of having to level <insert solo job here> and skill up/gear a job all they had to do was make that minimum time investment into bst. That is what people were raging about in those threads I spoke of. Then within 2 weeks of those discussions the nerf was handed down. Seems fairly cut, and dry.

    Post nerf can you still have excellent pdt on a pet? Absolutely, but you have to at least make some effort to do so. Not just burn a job to 90. Buy jugs, and pet food. Stir in 2 atmas, and wa la you're a god.
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    Last edited by Zaknafein; 09-27-2011 at 02:44 AM.

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    >.> Dam would Vote god dam Slime
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    I think it would be funny if SE gave us a wyvern jug pet, mob wyverns not DRG wyverns, because then we would get to troll the DRGs.
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    Player Ultimare's Avatar
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    I'd also settle for a Mithra NPC jugpet. =D~~
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    Last edited by Ultimare; 10-04-2011 at 12:16 AM.

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    Player Xilk's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimare View Post
    I'd also settle for a Mithra NPC jugpet. =D~~
    Eh? don't you already have that?
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    Maybe SE should implement a series of Familar based mobs we can choose from at 99.... Like maybe an HNM type mob but smaller... Like a Baby Behemoth... Make it like our NPC where it levels up and we can make it stronger in certain fields, like make it a tank, damage dealer, or just support. It might ruin the whole Jug Pet concept though, but maybe feed the pet jugs to keep him out and grant certain bonuses? I think something like that could work out and it would be interesting if they gave us a WIDE variety of mobs to choose from.
    Thoughts?
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    Player Xilk's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by firelurker456 View Post
    Maybe SE should implement a series of Familar based mobs we can choose from at 99.... Like maybe an HNM type mob but smaller... Like a Baby Behemoth... Make it like our NPC where it levels up and we can make it stronger in certain fields, like make it a tank, damage dealer, or just support. It might ruin the whole Jug Pet concept though, but maybe feed the pet jugs to keep him out and grant certain bonuses? I think something like that could work out and it would be interesting if they gave us a WIDE variety of mobs to choose from.
    Thoughts?
    Sounds like making a bst more like a pup.

    Also, they did say there were going to give us a smaller adamantoise.
    I don't really tin the call beast ability needs to change so much. i think its a good ability.
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    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...555#post212555

    So does this mean for 99 we'll get an Adamantoise, Apkallu and Hippogryph?
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    Thank you all for your suggestions, and often heated debate. I'm glad I get to be the one to post up our results after all the hard work Camate did leading up to it.

    Based on numerous discussions, we have decided to implement the following pets along with the new level cap of 99.

    Pets that we have been planning all along
    Adamantoise
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    *The smaller type from Abyssea. Don't worry, they won't cause the ground to rumble non-stop!

    Apkallu
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    And... based on your feedback!
    Hippogryph
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    We will continue to reference your feedback when we consider adding more pets in the future. We hope you're all looking forward to the next round of pet additions once the cap is raised!
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    Matt "Bayohne" Hilton - Community Team

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