Please, please, PLEASE do something about WoE and Spell Drops!

[Randnum]

I am curious.

Is it possible to alter things in WoE fluxes based on the number of players in it? Not things like drop rates that are likely to cause player irritation, but 'can more people join after a certain HP %'.

Can we get an approximate idea of the balance intended by the Development team for this event? Players always seem to ask for a lot and believe we get ignored, but whether we are, or not, we are definitely asking for X Y and Z without having any idea of what the Dev team's aims are, therefore we can't necessarily make requests that are within their willingness to do.

I know it has taken me approximately 100 runs to get enough coins for Tobi. That's 100 hours for the base weapon.

In this time I have also seen 8 Devious die. If I assume that my droprate is relatively normal, that means it would take 1200 hours to get all the Dies myself.

Is it simply not intended for most players to have +3 versions of their WoE Genuine Fake Empyreans? There has definitely been some indication that as you get higher in a weapon's power scale, the design is that less people are supposed to have it at all.

That's my question set for WoE. It was said that the intention was to have things such that not everyone has certain spells or weapons.

In my personal opinion this is normally balanced by making the content either hard to do, so that one requires more skill to get what you want, or by making it a tradeoff in that players simply choose not to do the content because they have something else to aim for.

Should people just be ignoring WoE because the intent was to make the system tedious enough to 'encourage' them to spend their time on other things?

[Tinuviel]

I may have missed it someone, but are there plans to improve accessibility of coins? My friend and I can quite readily farm the empyrean trials as easily as collecting 30 coins right now (can do both trials in ~ 2 weeks).

Removing the wait time and reducing the difficulty of walks will certainly make it easier to farm coins, but I'd like to see coins dropping from all walks with some level of consistency (Walks 8-11 seem to have like a <10% drop rate on coins from my experience. I would say this is too low).

[Kysaiana]

WoE is beyond dead on Siren. You're lucky to find a JP group on Fri/Sat during JP prime time. The biggest issue with WoE is that if you don't have enough random people to clear a conflux, you get nothing. I like WoE better now than it used to be, but one thing the old system got right was you didn't have to clear a zone to get drops. It would be better if WoE was similar to the way Legion is set up, where you get drops and points based on the number of enemies you defeat before time runs out.

As it stands, I highly doubt a slight increase in dice will cause a Renaissance for Walk of Echoes.

[Dreamin]

WoE is beyond dead on Siren. You're lucky to find a JP group on Fri/Sat during JP prime time. The biggest issue with WoE is that if you don't have enough random people to clear a conflux, you get nothing. I like WoE better now than it used to be, but one thing the old system got right was you didn't have to clear a zone to get drops. It would be better if WoE was similar to the way Legion is set up, where you get drops and points based on the number of enemies you defeat before time runs out.

As it stands, I highly doubt a slight increase in dice will cause a Renaissance for Walk of Echoes.

That would have been ideal but time out doesn't generate a chest for people to open. You just time out and gets kicked back into the lobby. So, if they would go down this route (a good compromised imo), then they would have to give a 5min before time out where chest can be popped. I dont know how easy or hard this would be but I definitely could support that since it'll give the solo'ers opportunities in getting something.

[Dreamin]

If you haven't figure out by now, the way WoE are setup now. It favors pet jobs like SMN and BST more so than any other job. Personally I dont have any problem with this since SMN and BST has been nerfed and negated by SE for years now. So you can either level one of those jobs, or level a BLM or RNG job. Or, do what every other melees does in WoE. Spam death to gain points. It's sad isn't it but that's just how WoE has become due to ally hate no one in their right mind will ever group with ppl that they dont know that isn't an idiot who will aggro everything that's not worth killing.

Or just go kill the smaller mobs and leave the big boss to the SMNs and BSTs (and those MPK'ing BLMs).

[VZX]

BLM and RNG, in particular, are in great disadvantage because the value of those 2 jobs are literally zero when double-weakened (nuke for zero, miss 100% of the time). So when the person at the top of hate list dies, the mob is just 1 step closer nabbing you.

Somehow the way to do WoE is like:
- Pet job : You sometimes die, but it doesn't matter anyway. You can do the job fine being weakened/double weakened
- Melee job : will get zombie'd most of the time, so super slow is imminent, and low HP will just ensure you to die again soon
- RNG and BLM job : fine for 1st death, but when they die again, they fall into total uselessness.

Zombie-ing isn't playing.

[Dreamin]

WoE and VW isn't playing either if by playing you mean there's a BALANCED reward to the efforts. I know idiots who has gotten Toci off Pil under 100 run, I've also know ppl like myself who are 0/250 and some even over 400+. Is that fun?

Now that we get that out of the way, Zombie-ing might not be a great way to play but if the only jobs you have are DDs, then that's really is your own way to gain points under the current WoE system. It's absolutely stupid but it is what it is.

[Danita]

Necro post, but no point starting a new topic.

The only way my girlfriend and I can do Walk of Echoes is by grabbing 100k and heading to flux 15 on thief. We zone in for 1k and if we don't get brew, we zone out and repeat. It takes about 50-100 tries each to get 1 brew or so, which is about 2 to 3 hours. After that you just Brew, 2hr, flee, and pray that you make it to the boss and he's generous (and that he doesn't enfeeble your brew away). It's the most boring thing imaginable, frankly, but it's also the only way to actually get a chance at the drops from flux 15. WoE is dead on Siren.

I would kill for buyable Brews. Zoning in and out for 3hrs makes me want to shoot myself. If I could spend that time doing something to get cruor/gil and then spend that on a single WoE Brew, then at least this event wouldn't suck so hard. It would certainly cause people interested in the drops to show up every time they felt like burning a Brew, making it so that incidental items like Die would be available to players.

EDIT: Been at this for 7 hours now. Still no brew. Spent 110k. My girlfriend did it with me, so over 200k so far; that's 14 hours of zoning in-out between us, a minimum of 200 enter/exits with no brew. It's 30min after midnight and she's furious, but I refuse to sleep until I get one. This is the perfect example of why I am canceling my account.

[Babekeke]

Looking at ffxiah, WoE can't be dead on Siren, but it is certainly not as busy as on Phoenix. Last 25 Elder Grips sold on your server date back to 9th Sep. On Phoenix it's 5th Oct.