Disturbing a cleave PT on purpose to hurt a group, [again or not again ToS?]

[Kitkat]

You lost me a little bit, because the main issue is way over verbal...

What I mean is that in base it is still a form of harassment as outlined by articles you have quoted, but like verbal harassment there are various loopholes. Since these loopholes exist most times there is little the GM will do outside of saying "We'll look into the issue." As Runespider pointed out, unless they are doing it at the time you are speaking with the GM you'll usually accomplish nothing calling one. Even then it'll be hard unless the GM pops to where you are and witnesses it happening a couple times.

[Drai]

Go to Attowah and do Chigoe, pull tunga and watch him pull hate and die to that little mofo lol, should be easy enough to cfh it and kill it after unless you go with only 1-2 WAR and a SCH for Embrava spam

[Ilax]

What I mean is that in base it is still a form of harassment as outlined by articles you have quoted, but like verbal harassment there are various loopholes. Since these loopholes exist most times there is little the GM will do outside of saying "We'll look into the issue." As Runespider pointed out, unless they are doing it at the time you are speaking with the GM you'll usually accomplish nothing calling one. Even then it'll be hard unless the GM pops to where you are and witnesses it happening a couple times.

Well, that the worse part of it, i was talking to GM and that guy was still doing AGA/AJA/Breagka the pull, i also told the GM, "you don't even need investigate log, he is still doing it right now", sadly that did not even change anything. I placed call @ 2:10pm, GM answer @ 2:45pm, the guy did AGA/AJA the monster from 2pm to 4pm, and also came back 6pm to 8pm.

[HimuraKenshyn]

If the mobs are unclaimed its fair game I haven't see anyone ever get in trouble for pulling mobs off a train. Pretty much the game gives you claim to one mob the rest are fair game the player base decides if they will obey unwritten rules or not. Attempting to mpk or grief are not the same as killing unclaimed mobs that aggro or link its a fed move but not against the tos in any way.

[Teraniku]

If I'm farming and some jackwipe shows up and starts gathering every single mob in the area you damn well better believe I'm going to fight for my right to farm and take them off their train.

I do this as well if someone is training all the mobs in an area I will pick them off one by one if it's something I need to skill on farm whatever. No I won't ask their permission to do so because they didn't ask for mine to take all the mobs in the area.

What Ilax is describing is harassment. The person isn't doing it to farm skill up etc. They are just doing it to impede someone else's progress.

[Arcon]

If the mobs are unclaimed its fair game I haven't see anyone ever get in trouble for pulling mobs off a train. Pretty much the game gives you claim to one mob the rest are fair game the player base decides if they will obey unwritten rules or not. Attempting to mpk or grief are not the same as killing unclaimed mobs that aggro or link its a fed move but not against the tos in any way.

I'm guessing you didn't read past the thread title? Even the OP mentions why it is actually against the ToS. It's not about killing unclaimed mobs, it's about player harrassment.

[wish12oz]

Didn't read anything but the OP, the answer is that unclaimed mobs are fair game. As long as he doesn't type in game that he's doing it specifically to grief you, there is nothing you can do to get him in trouble. Maybe if you can prove he's been following you around and doing it a lot you could get a GM to do something, but I honestly doubt they would unless he said something in game about doing it just to spite you.

The real solution is to do things to get him to die, if you MPK him enough he will stop. Like when he goes to use the conflux after casting on all your mobs, spam cure and other low cast time spells on him to lock him out of being able to use the conflux. If he does stuff to your mobs while youre fighting them and theyre not dead, just disengage and warp away or die, then they will all kill him, then you can raise yourself or walk back and he'll have to homepoint. Beat him at his own game and he'll stop.

EDIT: Remember to taunt him when he's dead in say, things like 'oh man sorry I didn't realize they were going to kill you.' and stuff of that nature, not 'lol you loser that will teach you.' Because the second sentence will get you in trouble for griefing.

[Kitkat]

If the mobs are unclaimed its fair game I haven't see anyone ever get in trouble for pulling mobs off a train. Pretty much the game gives you claim to one mob the rest are fair game the player base decides if they will obey unwritten rules or not. Attempting to mpk or grief are not the same as killing unclaimed mobs that aggro or link its a fed move but not against the tos in any way.

They are being griefed about it. The person is goading them on in /say and /tells showing that it is for harassment purposes only. Not to farm anything or try to AOE kill, just to stop OP from doing what they are doing because they can. What you bring up is one of the various loopholes that exist in the ToS which the person in question would fall back on. OP would need substantial proof and somehow need to have the GM watching or seeing the person say this to them directly. Lastly it falls to the GM to gauge if this is ban worthy or simply let them off with a warning, but most times will end with nothing being said to the individual in question at all.

[FrankReynolds]

I do this as well if someone is training all the mobs in an area I will pick them off one by one if it's something I need to skill on farm whatever. No I won't ask their permission to do so because they didn't ask for mine to take all the mobs in the area.

What Ilax is describing is harassment. The person isn't doing it to farm skill up etc. They are just doing it to impede someone else's progress.

I do the same thing in real life. When I'm at the market, I just grab stuff out of other people's shopping carts. Why should I have to ask permission? I mean, I'm sure I could find the item on my own. Hell, the person might even be willing to give me his, or show me where to find one, but I just really like the idea of being a jerk to random strangers. Besides, it's not against the law. they haven't even paid for the stuff yet, so there is nothing they can do. It makes shopping so much more interesting.

[uptempo]

I do the same thing in real life. When I'm at the market, I just grab stuff out of other people's shopping carts. Why should I have to ask permission? I mean, I'm sure I could find the item on my own. Hell, the person might even be willing to give me his, or show me where to find one, but I just really like the idea of being a jerk to random strangers. Besides, it's not against the law. they haven't even paid for the stuff yet, so there is nothing they can do. It makes shopping so much more interesting.

Lol. Mug that is all.