Ideas for DRG updates

[Ophannus]

Back on topic, it'd be nice if Wyverns got a trait that acts as a permanent Migawari effect. If the dmg dealt to the wyvern exceeds like more than 75% of it's max HP, damage is anulled(which wouldn't be much considering how low its HP is)

[Anucris]

The discussion was never about what was better. And it's ok for me to say what I want. U still not have full +2 set noodles. So sad. And is ur ws set still so weak? With all that +1 and all. Point is there good not crap especially nice for ws. And u can still have 26% haste without takin up the glove slot and in that case it would be dumb and a waste. And everyone knows a maxed haste set is best for tp dunno why u think u gotta educate pple on what they already know. Do u ever post any good ideas noodles or just go through forums trolling? On most forums ur arguing with someone. Ur pathetic and don't know it all.

[Anucris]

Migawari effect is ok. But in the end -DT might be a little better because now ur worried about being 2 shotted. And I ur in the fray fighting those aoe it can happen often. Of course u can be 2 shotted with -DT but every hit will do less. Those aoe that take 4-6 probably wont kill it wyv the whole fight. I dunno tho cause the migawari effect is like not even being hit. This will take a little more thought but good idea

[Ophannus]

Have just been spamming empyrean item NMs the past week and I've realized DRG doesn't need a dmg buff. From Drakesbane spam with 5hit+Corsesca+2 build I still rip hate off VS MNKs and Ukon WARs especially when the WAR is getting hit+losing hate and I follow up with a triple attack triple crit proc at 500 dmg per hit. The problem comes when I get hate and third eye is wiped in a second or two, leaving my completely defenseless, 3min super jump isn't enough.

[noodles355]

The discussion was never about what was better. And it's ok for me to say what I want. U still not have full +2 set noodles. So sad. And is ur ws set still so weak? With all that +1 and all. Point is there good not crap especially nice for ws. And u can still have 26% haste without takin up the glove slot and in that case it would be dumb and a waste. And everyone knows a maxed haste set is best for tp dunno why u think u gotta educate pple on what they already know. Do u ever post any good ideas noodles or just go through forums trolling? On most forums ur arguing with someone. Ur pathetic and don't know it all.

Just stop. Put down the spade and stop digging yourself a hole.
Options for 26% Haste not using gloves:
AF3+2 Head 6%. Relic+1/Timarli Body 2%. Bullwhip 7%. Ace's/Bestia 4%. AF3+2 Feet 5%. AF3 Back 1%. Blitz Ring 1%.

Do you know why that set is absolutely terribad? Let's examine it in detail.
You're not using one of Goading Belt, Ace's Leggings, or AF3+1/+2/Askar/Aurum Body. That means you don't have a 6 hit.
To get that 6Hit, you'd need Rose Strap. Meaning you're not using Pole Strap.
You're using Lancer's Pelerine instead of Atheling Mantle which is better.

The whole point is you wanting to use the +2 Hands. The point of that is for 2 things: The 5/5 set bonus, and the 4% DA. You can't get the 5/5 set bonus because you need to use a Haste body piece and a haste leg piece. You gain 4% DA from the hands but you lose 5% DA from not using Pole Grip and Athelling Mantle. A terrible option all togeather

You could use Zeleus Tiara over AF3+2 head. However with Bullwhip and AF3+2 feet you still need 6% more haste. Meaning haste +4 legs, AF3 back and blitz ring.
What you've basically done here is go:
AF3+2 head > Zeleus
Ace's hands > AF3+2
Atheling Mantle > AF3
Whatever ring > Blitz. Let's say Pyrosoul Ring.
Everything else stays the same. Now, let's compare those sets:
You still have 3/5 set bonus. You still have 26% haste. You have a 6hit.
You gain 1% DA and 15 Accuracy. You lose 1-2 fStr and 51 Attack. Accuracy is almost always capped on anything you'd bring Drg too, so you're looking at 1% DA vs 1-2 fStr and 51 Attack. Assuming 7% DA from other sources and how about a 30%TP/20% Jump/50% WS damage split as that heavilly favours the DA over the attack. 1% DA will give 0.9% increase to you're total DoT
Say you have 650 Attack, against an enemy 7 levels above you with 400 Defence. Adding 50 Attack will be a boost of 7.7% to your TP phase, which is 30% of your total DoT, that's a 1.54% increase to your total DoT.

Notice: I didn't take into account the 1-2 fStr you lose.
I used a TP/Jump/WS ratio that favours DA over Attack/Str.
I used a high attack value. With no buffs you're Attack in TP set will be only around 550~ish. This diminishes the affact of +Attack.

So I heavillly favoured the DA and yet it still lost.

In conclusion: You're just wrong.
How does it feel to know that someone who never plays drg, who has worse gear than you is still a better dragoon then you could ever hope to be? You are a shining example of the old phrase "Has all the gear, but has no idea".

Edit: Oh, and I forgot about the newish Haste/DA/TA legs, which you would use in the Ace's hands set alongside blitz ring. At this point the other option is completely beaten into the ground.

Best 6hit TP set for standard lance would probably be AF3+2 head, body and feet, ace's hands, the haste/da/ta legs, bullwhip, atheling, blitz, rajas, brutal and whatever neck and 2nd earring.

[Moonbaq]

I feel that DRG should have a couple perks

1) possibly giving the dragon more than just a breath ws.

2) i think it would be nice if we could tell our pets to attack & return, giving us more options to attack multiple mobs

3) I think Dragons should be able to be called when using it as a sub job

4) though it would probably happen everytime you use a ws make dragon breath attacks skill-chainable

5) Lastly let you drain HP as you hit a mob with a jump attack...

just some thoughts in mind

[Anucris]

Wow u wasted a lot of time on that and I'm def not reading that much lol

[Anucris]

Have just been spamming empyrean item NMs the past week and I've realized DRG doesn't need a dmg buff. From Drakesbane spam with 5hit+Corsesca+2 build I still rip hate off VS MNKs and Ukon WARs especially when the WAR is getting hit+losing hate and I follow up with a triple attack triple crit proc at 500 dmg per hit. The problem comes when I get hate and third eye is wiped in a second or two, leaving my completely defenseless, 3min super jump isn't enough.

Yeah drg definately need a defensive move for negating some DMg. Wonder if we will get it

[noodles355]

Wow u wasted a lot of time on that and I'm def not reading that much lol

I'll shorten it down for your simple brain: You lost the argument.
AF3+2 for TP are fail. Every build with AF3+2 hands and 26% haste is shit compared to a 26% Ace's Hands set.

You know, a bigger person would have stepped up and said "Wow, guess you were right. Oh well, now I know" or something similar when someone provided detailed and thought-out infomation and proof to try and show you a better way of playing. There's infomation there which would help you make decisions to become a better drg, yet you want to ignore them? If your ego is so large that you can't admit you were wrong and take the infomation in order to make yourself a better player then that's just too bad.

It amazes me how hard some people find it to actually admit they are wrong.

[Anucris]

I'm not wrong. This started because u were rude then I bragged about having full +2 and knew u didn't from a diff post and u got upset. I tp in af3 head, body, feet, dusk+1 gloves, aces pants and goading. I'm waiting on the fuzhelm body from voidwatch boss for 26%. So I deal with 24 for now unless I just want to use more. But yeah ur just beating a dead hoarse by saying haste is good. No sh*t sherlock. I just been jerking ur chain cause u must have something shoved way up ur rear and act like a butthole. Ur info is usually good tho. Common sense but good. Troll. Some drg with full +2 just like playing around with it sometimes like while farming dark rings. Not everything is life and death