It's the Little Things

[Zemarin]

And there you have it, we don't all think alike. Don't be surprised that I don't agree with your suggestion, being main smn for several years now.

See Comments like this Assume That I never played smn for years.
Hunny Sumoner was my 3rd job to 75 back in 2004, yes before blood pact ward and rage were split, before avatars favor, yes before level synch, and yes before abbyssea. I been thru it all and I very well much do not condone losing 2k MP on a Job ability.

If "properly geared" means i have to store TP and use a EMP weapon only WS to make my 2hr the slightest bit feasible that's utterly retarded, not just the concept, but the comment itself. I wonder if your position would change if they never added (easy mode) equipment. Congrats you wasted time making it, just to make ur 2hr not hinder you but for the rest of us smns who don't regain 60% their mp back from a WS let me tell you, Losing 2k MP hurts.

Wiki, BG, forums, FFXIAH, generally the community at large that's actually informed and any SMN who knows their role

What you did here is called misunderstood what I said. Then you took your own IDEA of what I said, and applied it to the single situation where it would plausibly work.
I don't live in the shadows of other's peoples glory btw, I didn't have to learn how to play my job from other summoners, I know how to use it just fine and I know that you can't predict many of the situations where Alex may have been useful or needed (as such to prevent a wipe)l. Also just to correct you its not, 900MP it's 1050 mp for full duration on alex.. and you can find that out on WIKI. Before you give advice you should take ur own advice seriously.

Now back to what I was saying, In situations where Alex would be excellent many of the time unless you have done little or nothing to support the pt ur not going to have 1050 MP to have a full perfect defense, and then on top of it getting that 1050mp back is a pain unless its 100% planned~ that's assuming you don't have temporary items and a emp staff along with it... derp?

(Generally have natural refresh with all avatars now due to equipment, "eliminating" perpetuation cost.)

Ok so refreshing 2~8mp/3sec really makes up for losing 2000 MP.... Ok

Anywhos enough about restoring mp, because that wasn't really my concern to begin with its the simple fact that I'm either spending 2k mp on low AoE dmg, an insta kill that only works on xp mobs, or alex. If I got to spend 2k mp on something that was actually useful then you may have a point but for the most part that mp is being wasted on nothingness except some moot situations. Which drives me back to my point of view.

Why should summoner lose 2k MP for a 2hr that is half-assed?
Soras answer:
Cause I have Emp staff

Now for reals im done with you, go learn how to play smn on ffxiah plz your info is not current. Your reply wasn't even relevant it, just seems you replied just to annoy me and to argue as to why you don't want the lame mp consumption removed which is to make your relatively useless staff seem omg useful (once every 2hrs/1hrs with wings off AH, or are u subbing sam to make it useful once every 6mins choose ur poison). Point of the matter is no avatar does anything worth spending 2k for Alex is the one and only avatar that actually seems like a 2hr ability and the only one that makes your argument, as half-assed as it is, moot.

[Soranika]

I'm sorry but I find your ignorance towards me owning a Hvergelmir staggering and using that as a main point of your argument. I do not use a Hvergelmir exclusively for MP recovery after Astral Flow and you clearly don't know how useful it is in other situations. You're being no different from Dallas thinking it's nothing more than a tool for melee summoner.

Because of that and the fact that you seem to extremely hate the fact that I don't agree with just ONE issue you presented, I will not waste time counter arguing any more points with you. You're making a huge issue out of something that is within our power to manage.

[Zemarin]

I don't find you disagreeing with me as a problem...

I simply put i hate how it cost 2k mp for a 2hr.. and you said no its okay cause you can get mp back.
Then you give me piss poor examples of very narrow scenarios were wasting 2k mp is justified, if you have X gear, X JA up, X this and that then using astral flow becomes feasible and not a waste. What about the other 90% of the time?

If u simply disagreed and left the mumbo jumbo about how regaining mp is sooooooo easy I'd not care. None of ur arguments justify why smn should waste 2k mp for a piss poor 2hr tho. Case in point I hate the fact you choose to purposely be an annoying person, not justcuz you just disagree. I also hate the fact that you comment on crap without reading then try to advise me on doing something that you simply don't do. Or try to teach me about something you don't even understand yourself. I'm not making a huge issue about much, just don't comment on something if your not going to get the gist of what the person is saying.

The other person that commented got the idea yet you still tooting about the ease of mp return when the effect is not even worth it.

To simply put you turned me saying "that the 2hr is not worth 2k mp" into "i cant get 2k mp back at all". While it is annoying to do that, the problem lies within a buff that last 3 mins yet eats all ur mp each time, for a lackluster in and of itself. I hope at this point you can comprehend what i said and been saying. Maybe then you would be a lil less obsessed with you mp return.

[Soranika]

Piss poor examples? These?

Though I understand not every SMN have time or think they can justify getting one[Insert: Hvergelmir], which is okay. SMN have many ways to get moderate amounts of MP back. Elemental Siphon natively. Refresh, aspir, and convert if subbing /rdm. Sublimination if subbing /sch. Even Spirit Taker if they're feeling froggy and have the TP. Or... just use hi-elixirs and ethers.

It's a song and dance of SMN we've been doing for years since CoP. Yagado Drinks and ethers, GO!

And what is with the hate towards getting equipment to cover these job weaknesses that we intentionally have? The whole game is ABOUT getting better equipment to perform better. But how about this, at what point will reducing the cost of astral flow blood pacts and summons actually going to make them worth wild from their current forum? The damage of the normal avatars we have are out done by a single blood pact past level 70.

Does it not make sense to actually adjust the astral flow abilities to work as they are suggested by dealing out massive damage to justify that full MP cost rather than just reducing it so you can use them back to back like normal blood pacts just cause they're AoE? It's not productive at all because while you're still using these abilities with a reduce MP cost, you're STILL doing things to recover this lost MP to begin with.

Yes, MP is not hard to recover. Yes, it DOES make up expending your MP pool on an astral flow if you can justify it's use. We have the tools to deal with it. It's never been that huge of an issue and it's IS one of the reasons why I disagree with you. I'm not simply disagreeing just to do it.

[Malamasala]

And what is with the hate towards getting equipment to cover these job weaknesses that we intentionally have?

Maybe the hate comes from none of the 19 other jobs having any weaknesses to cover. (Unless you want to claim BST, NIN and COR has gil weaknesses to cover)

[Raka]

The Little Things that truely need fixing, if not mentioned already...

For the love of all that is sane, please let me use Assault, Retreat, Release, Blood Pacts without the loss of Sneak, Invisible, or even a Quickening status.

Thumbs up if you agree! ^^y