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    Player Babekeke's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuro View Post
    why.... here is a way of not having it consumed.... don't suck and learn to use items when your not under such a debuff...
    Not always possible... and what if said item is a remedy, to remove the paralysis?

    The time this frustrated me most recently was skilling up the lesser weapons on war in the boyahda tree. Goobbue paralyses me, so I hit healing waltz... paralysed. Wait 15 seconds and try again... paralysed. 6 times was the most for me, and with 2-3 korrigans and 1-2 goobbues hitting me all the while, HP drops fast. Luckily, I have some temp items! Remedy... paralysed. Elixir... paralysed. Lucid Potion II... too late I'm dead.

    What a shame that I didn't learn to just wait for it to wear off before trying to use my items!?!?

    Most retarded things I've seen done with this was in salvage. 1st Body cell drops, and mnk (fighting bones with ice spikes up) uses it mid-fight while paralysed. It took a few times before people learned too ><
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    wow, really?. Lets remove needing any skill at all from the game completely. This is just sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varazslo View Post
    wow, really?. Lets remove needing any skill at all from the game completely. This is just sad.
    Because not using items while paralyzed is a "skill."

    Besides, sometimes you aren't paralyzed, but get paralyzed in the middle of using the item, and it STILL gets lost. No amount of "skill" can avoid that.

    All that needs to happen is you fail to use the item, which you still want to avoid having happen. There is no reason on earth the item should be taken away.

    You will still have to avoid wasting effort, you just won't lose your item if you screw up.
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 11-04-2011 at 07:33 AM.

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    Correction, NOT using an EXP ring while paralyzed, or even during battle is more common sense than skill. Learn to prep BEFORE battle.

    You will still have to avoid wasting effort, you just won't lose your item if you screw up.
    Exactly my point.. There is no penalty for screwing up anymore, aka no skill required. No exp loss at level 30 and below if KO'd. No more level caps on just about any missions. Hasn't this game been nerfed enough already? It's almost to the point that there is no challenge whatsoever.
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    Last edited by Varazslo; 11-04-2011 at 09:05 AM.

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    call me crazy, but if I payed all that money for a sandwich made with dragon meat, I'd just brush the dirt off and eat it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
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    LOGIC.
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    Mmm.. if items are going to be no-longer consumed when paralysed, will this also effect 2hour job abilities and other long recasts?.. mmm...Mmmm? coz technically, you never used it.. so why have to wait the full time.. 'to use it again'?
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    Job abilities are instant, not losing the JA when paralyzed would essentially make job abilities never be affected by paralyze at all, You could just spam the JA macro 10 times in 2 seconds and be more or less guaranteed to get it off, at no penalty at all. Items and spells however, have cast times, so you can't spam them as fast as you want just to get around paralyze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    Job abilities are instant, not losing the JA when paralyzed would essentially make job abilities never be affected by paralyze at all, You could just spam the JA macro 10 times in 2 seconds and be more or less guaranteed to get it off, at no penalty at all. Items and spells however, have cast times, so you can't spam them as fast as you want just to get around paralyze.
    Not exactly no you couldn't. JA's are instant but there is a 60 delay after them applied. Also when paralyzed there is a 120 delay where you can't do anything at all, including hitting JA's. Thus if the JA wasn't consumed you'd have to wait 120 units (2 seconds) to attempt to reuse it again. This delay is also applied if your interrupted during casting a spell. Try it sometimes, start casting a spell then move, immediately after it says "interrupted" try to cast again and it'll say you can't.
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    All right, well I think it is still less of a problem than for many other actions, because many JAs aren't as time critical as some spells and item uses can be. Activating berserk, hasso or your two hours 4-8 seconds (which means 2-4 paralyzed actions before getting it off) later isn't as terrible as a cure5, utsu ni or a megalixir being delayed by roughly the same amount of time.
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    Last edited by Mirage; 11-04-2011 at 07:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    All right, well I think it is still less of a problem than for many other actions, because many JAs aren't as time critical as some spells and item uses can be. Activating berserk, hasso or your two hours 4-8 seconds (which means 2-4 paralyzed actions before getting it off) later isn't as terrible as a cure5, utsu ni or a megalixir being delayed by roughly the same amount of time.
    Speak for yourself, all those JA's have long recasts except Hasso. Berserk has a 5 min recast by default, haveing it paralyzed means you must wait 4:58 seconds before trying again, in a big fight that's win or lose time. Soul Eater is 6 min, Call Wvyern is 20 min, Composure is 5 min, the new RDM and BLM ja's are 10 min. Elemental / Divine Seal are both 10 min, and paralyze just screws DNC over completely. Paralyze also destroys Third Eye, which has a 30/60s recast and if your using it then your trying not to die.
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