What is RDM all about?

[saevel]

Actually ... RDM's "end game" value in the past was .... drum roll please ...

Cure IV
Erase
-na
Haste
Refresh

With the situational use of our trademark Chain Spell Stun during zergs.

Enfeebles were a joke at 75, nearly every HNM was super resistant if not flatly immune. The ones they did land on had built in potency reduction. RDM was used' as a miniature white mage that could also nuke, haste, self-refresh and had lots of MP. Since they've bluntly said their not giving us Cure V we can rule out the miniature White Mage use which leaves players in an unfamiliar position. When a job was abused and pigeon holed as a WHM-1 for so long that people actually began to think that is what it was designed for, what do you do when it's no longer viable in that use? We've always had alternate functions, but so few people properly explored them that their considered fringe only.

[Kitkat]

Actually ... RDM's "end game" value in the past was .... drum roll please ...

Cure IV
Erase
-na
Haste
Refresh

With the situational use of our trademark Chain Spell Stun during zergs.

Enfeebles were a joke at 75, nearly every HNM was super resistant if not flatly immune. The ones they did land on had built in potency reduction. RDM was used' as a miniature white mage that could also nuke, haste, self-refresh and had lots of MP. Since they've bluntly said their not giving us Cure V we can rule out the miniature White Mage use which leaves players in an unfamiliar position. When a job was abused and pigeon holed as a WHM-1 for so long that people actually began to think that is what it was designed for, what do you do when it's no longer viable in that use? We've always had alternate functions, but so few people properly explored them that their considered fringe only.

Can't say I ever saw my rdm this under utilized when it came to anything endgame; Dynamis, limbus, kings, KS99, salvage, and Ein usually resulted in needing to be crowd control/debuffer/buffer/healer/nuker and being half-arsed at it usually resulted in needless deaths or longer than required fights.

It's hardly a new argument, though. The only thing that's really changed are the ideas that have come along with people hoping to make things better. Some of it's been inspired by things added to the game elsewhere. Others are just people genuinely being creative. Perhaps to our benefit, we're lacking the "RDM stole WHM's job!" stigma that was present back in the day and often used to refute improvements to RDM itself, but there are also people not interested in seeing history repeat itself.

Well, not saying it is a bad thing necessarily so much as pointing out that it mutated from a topic where the OP just wanted to know what is expected of the job, to what the job needs/should be. Already plenty of topics filled with that already.

[saevel]

Can't say I ever saw my rdm this under utilized when it came to anything endgame; Dynamis, limbus, kings, KS99, salvage, and Ein usually resulted in needing to be crowd control/debuffer/buffer/healer/nuker and being half-arsed at it usually resulted in needless deaths or longer than required fights.



Well, not saying it is a bad thing necessarily so much as pointing out that it mutated from a topic where the OP just wanted to know what is expected of the job, to what the job needs/should be. Already plenty of topics filled with that already.

Your trying to cheer lead, doesn't work too well. Crowd control is a joke..
RDM/BLM: casts Sleepga ..., YAY!!
BLM: casts Sleepge II <.<
RDM/BLM: .... /cry

Debuff .... wtf over? We've gone through this a thousand times now, enfeebleing didn't mean anything at "end game" back in 75 after 2006. All the HNM's were either super resistant or had direct potency reductions, it was part of SE's master plan to refuse RDM the ability to solo anything. Your greatest hope was Slow and Dia.

Salvage ... yeah ... naked for most of the run except a light staff doing cure IV -> cure IV -> Haste -> Cure IV on the monks.

Ein ... same as Dyna except things don't sleep long and build resistance fast. Ein was just a colibri merit PT zerg fest with us doing the exact same things, Cure IV -> Haste -> Cure IV -> Cure IV -> repeat.

So .. yeah .. that's about the sum of "end game". There is a reason RDM earned the nickname "Pink mage". The most you could hope for was post-WoTG RDM/SCH in DA mode for decent nukes. Tier III was still weak compared to IV's but you could chain them together. You suffered mostly from accuracy due to a C in elemental magic, /SCH helped that a bit.

So please continue insulting me like you actually know what your doing.

[Kitkat]

Your trying to cheer lead, doesn't work too well. Crowd control is a joke..
RDM/BLM: casts Sleepga ..., YAY!!
BLM: casts Sleepge II <.<
RDM/BLM: .... /cry

Wow, you would sleep something with sleepga II? That is probably the most asnine thing I ever heard of, second most is a rdm/blm in dyn. 9/10 times you'd be rdm/whm, the other 1/10 rdm/drk. If you were in one of those shells where there was one tank and full on zerg that one mob....that is just plain stupid. A 4-pt team could clear city zones stupid easy with 2 tank pt's and at least 3-4 blm decently geared, 2-3 well geared. I don't know what to tell you, been doing dyn since it was introduced and there was always a very noticeable difference between a rdm that just cured and a rdm that buffed/debuffed/cured.

Debuff .... wtf over? We've gone through this a thousand times now, enfeebleing didn't mean anything at "end game" back in 75 after 2006. All the HNM's were either super resistant or had direct potency reductions, it was part of SE's master plan to refuse RDM the ability to solo anything. Your greatest hope was Slow and Dia.

Yeah, I guess that is why most endgame shells required that a rdm merit a specific way to fill specific debuff duties. Not sure what kind of shell you were in if this was a valid excuse for not doing your job.

Salvage ... yeah ... naked for most of the run except a light staff doing cure IV -> cure IV -> Haste -> Cure IV on the monks.

If you were naked most the run except for a light staff....this was your ls telling you "you suck so we give other jobs your cells" or you were running with way too many people. I can't recall even one run where I was naked or that my key attributes weren't unlocked.

Ein ... same as Dyna except things don't sleep long and build resistance fast. Ein was just a colibri merit PT zerg fest with us doing the exact same things, Cure IV -> Haste -> Cure IV -> Cure IV -> repeat.

Sounds pretty lazy to me....

So .. yeah .. that's about the sum of "end game". There is a reason RDM earned the nickname "Pink mage". The most you could hope for was post-WoTG RDM/SCH in DA mode for decent nukes. Tier III was still weak compared to IV's but you could chain them together. You suffered mostly from accuracy due to a C in elemental magic, /SCH helped that a bit.

So please continue insulting me like you actually know what your doing.

Sounds to me like the only one insulting you...is you. Seriously, if this is all you ever did...you must have been a horrible rdm to have cause it sounds to me like no one trusted you to be competent enough to be more than some cure/haste/refresh slave.

[saevel]

Attempt at a retort and Ad hominem personal attacks

I've been doing RDM for a very long time in just about every role and configuration possible. You obviously haven't. Your also going back and forth on your words like you did in the other thread, guess you can't keep an argument straight now. You mention "crowd control" then ask why would a BLM sleepga II in dynamis, that alone speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge. Your just trying to be insulting and petty now and are no longer worth debating with, So I'll cut this argument off.

RDM is extremely versatile, this versatility lends itself to many roles and functions. Due to SE's implementation of game mechanics this leaves us as second or third best at pretty much everything. Having a skill rating of "A+" does not make you a specialist in it, SE may change that but currently "enfeebling" isn't a specialty nor a serious function during big boss fights. Hell half the members of this thread are screaming for Cure V and to make RDM as a "viable healer" and we have C- healing magic, so that tells you how important the skill system is to determine what your functions should be. Due to every other class having better versions of what we possess, and ourselves having native access to Cure IV, haste a large supply of MP, other players decided the best place to stick a RDM was on Cure IV / Haste / Refresh / Erase / -na spam duty. That seemed a good way to exploit all the FC and MP a RDM has access to. At 75 this play style was mind numbing and boring, the forums were littered with old RDM's complaining of feeling burnt out of the same cycles. Dia III was a shining nugget of awesome in an otherwise bland set of merits, but one enfeebling spell does not a specialty make.

Now flash forward to 95, absolutely nothing has changed except Cure IV no longer is enough to full fill that ancient role of "cure b****" or "refresh w****". And shells have seen this and labeled RDM as "useless". Goes to show everyone exactly what groups thought of all those "awesome" abilities people like to claim they had.

[cidbahamut]

I've been doing RDM for a very long time in just about every role and configuration possible. You obviously haven't. Your also going back and forth on your words like you did in the other thread, guess you can't keep an argument straight now. You mention "crowd control" then ask why would a BLM sleepga II in dynamis, that alone speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge. Your just trying to be insulting and petty now and are no longer worth debating with, So I'll cut this argument off.

The fact that you are trying to defend the use of Sleepga II in Dynamis speaks volumes.