Add New Jobs to Relic Weapons - Past Due for an Explanation

[Aana]

The why so has been outlined and the reasons against have been methodically adressed.

Some people want it done. It would add more content for those jobs that players would like to access.

The negative arguments as to how it would mechanically break the game have been (vaguely) addressed (i could start putting out damage formula numbers and whatnot if you need proof that these weapons are not even near the top of the 'power' pile, but you have even admitted that they are not OP). The lore and other issues have been discussed without much hooplah.

Every reason (expressed) has been addressed at this point. The only argument left is "it would take up valuable dev time" which is responded to with "Changing a job on an item has got to be about the simplist/fastest thing possible". Obviously neither of us are SE devs, but im sure we can agree it has to be on the easy side of the spectrum. Will it actually take 10 min or 2 hours neither of us can factually state. Only that it is simple relative to other changes to the game.

When something is desired and all reasons not to do it are dispelled, you do it. If you want all jobs on Kclub then id suggest making a simlar thread for it. SE is not some all knowing entity that never falters. Maybe new jobs should be on Kclub. Just because 1 guy didnt get what he wants is NOT justification to deny someone else a toy. Thats just petty and spiteful.

I want a candy bar!
"It costs to much money!" // "Cupon. Its 5C."
"Its bad for your teeth!" // "/pulls out toothbrush for use after"
"No one can take you to the store!" // "Stores across the street. Ill walk."
"Its to many calories!" // "I do 3-a-days for football 5 days a week"
"You havent finished your HW!" // "/hands over finished HW"
"Well...I cant think of a reason you DO need a candy bar. Prove to me you need one!" // "/facepalm. Its because i WANT one and you can provide no reason i shouldnt"

The REASON is desire. Thats it. Some people desire it. They do not need to make you desire it for theirs to exist. If something is desired, can be provided for vitually no cost, and has no negative effects on anyone, and wont piss off a billion people, then there is no other justification required in regards to a videogame update.

You are saying those in favor must prove a need for it otherwise its not worth doing. Its a game. No one needs anything, let alone be able to prove to someone else. The desire is adequate justification in that situation. There must be a strong negative in-game consequence(balance), playerbase backlash, or prohibitive costs. If there are none of those, then desire alone is enough justification. So far, the only hurdle presented is how much dev time it will take because none of us know that answer explicitly. This is where an SE dev would tell us what the dev team think about feasibility.

The "Why so" category once all qualms have been addressed is just defending the status quo for the sake of the status quo.

[Insaniac]

Yes, and I see no problem with this. It's my opinion on this one topic, and you gave my opinion on one other topic. These do not conflict. If I don't like the idea of something, I'm going to say so. If I do like the idea of something I'm going to say so.

I do not argue just to argue. I simply see no reason for this. It doesn't benefit me, and I don't see how it benefits anyone else, either. I guess the real reason is people support this is they have relic weapons already and don't want to get an empyrean. Why do we have to change all the old stuff when new stuff comes out?

Should I really support something I don't agree with just because various other people support it? That doesn't make sense.

You absolutely argue just to argue and if you don't believe that you need to do some serious soul searching. Your opinions are clearly conflicted. The only difference between these 2 topics is that one benefits you (technically if you waste your CP on teleports you are costing yourself gil but w/e) and the other benefits other people. Neither one hurts anyone unless you want to count the dev time used for both "unneeded" changes then they both hurt people equally. The core of your argument against this change directly conflicts with your argument for CP teleports. All you do is jam up threads with pointless bickering on subjects that most of the time don't even remotely effect you and you post so god damn much that if I ignore you it's hard to tell what's even going on in a thread but I'm going to do it anyway so I don't waste any more time on you.

[Alhanelem]

I'm going to do it anyway so I don't waste any more time on you.

Believe me, you'll be doing a me a huge favor.

You gotta love this forum. Agree with the majority or get hated to death.

[MDenham]

SCH on Claustrum - Arguably, this is really not a strong weapon that offers anything game breaking to SCH, so there should be no issues adding them merely for completion's sake (sorry SCHs).

Figured I'd mention that SCH would probably end up on Mjollnir instead if we take the "charge up for relic WS" weapons at face value.

It doesn't really change the argument, other than that it makes SCH melee slightly more viable (as in, it goes from "hell no" to "is that a rel--hell no").

[Briarb19]

I think besides everything that's been mentioned, the imbalance of this is really justification enough. Based on the fact that SE added relic gear to Dynamis for the ToAU and WotG jobs proves that they acknowledged the imbalance associated with leaving new jobs off an aspect of the game that was innately available to every other job - relic armor. Why should they be left off the relic weapons? Simply put, they shouldn't be. Every job in the game should be able to make an Empy, a Mythic, AND a Relic.

Saying "Well you can use Mythic and Empy, so use that" is simply not justification.

I really feel like SE should at least dignify our request with a response, even if it's a simple "I'm sorry, but we have chosen not to implement this change." At least we know we're being heard in that case. Anyone agree?

[Atomic_Skull]

What does putting DNC on Mandau have to do with THF? Most theoretical Mandau DNC would also be THF so you're just bitching to bitch?

THF is supposed to be the master of daggers but SE has basically made DNC into "THF only better!" I don't want to see one of the few things remaining that is THF's given over to DNC.

And no, RDM and BRD don't count.

[Atomic_Skull]

The forum has a search function.

If you can't find the evidence, than as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't exist.

You can't just say stuff then not back up your claims when someone puts you on the spot.

Pain in the ass to find it but here you go.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post145664

[Shadowsong]

That doesn't qualify as a source for him I'm sure. Now please go write a 5 page thesis on the topic with a works cited page, I think that the only thing he would accept.
Why is it every post I see of Alhanelem is "SOURCES OR ITS NOT TRUE!" Must be sad being that angry and untrusting at literally ALL times.

[Kimble]

While we are at it, should add DNC and SCH to salvage gear. And add SCH and DNC to some sky sets. Totally stupid to not add DNC and SCH to salvage gear. They got added to Nyzul Isle.

[Suirieko]

I strongly support that the five newer jobs should have relics, and I really would like to see SE respond to this. IF it's a no, I would like a reason why this is so. AS it stands this changes nothing in terms of balance.

Also, once again, THF doesn't lose anything when DNC has access to Mandau. THF is still better with dagger skill and have higher evasion. Let's also not forget that they have SATA, as well as native triple attack and bully, and of course whatever future abilities they get.

Oh yes, and I've been main THF for 5 years, and is very close to finishing Mandau, as I'm on my final stage. (Just taking a break due to unforeseen circumstances.)

Really though, the job vs job hate needs to stop.