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    Player Zarchery's Avatar
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    Make combat and magic skill gains a little easier.

    This is a serious anachronism. Lowering the requirements so that you could skill up on decent challenge mobs was a good start. However, the system as is only made sense back when XP rates were so slow, and level sync was nonexistent, so you could actually keep your skills up as you levelled. As it is now, skills lag way behind even if you DON'T leech all your levels. I recently took WAR from 50-77 in level synced GOV pages in Garlaige and Crawler's Nest and my axe and great are so far behind that if I try to fight anything in Abyssea, I miss constantly.

    I've been training on the fortalices in Castle Zvahl, but even that takes forever and I have to keep checking back every 45 minutes after destroying one of the things. I guess it beats staying at the keyboard fighting monsters that can fight back, but it still sucks.

    So I dunno, maybe ease up on combat and magic skill ups so that it's less of a grind, the way XP is less of a grind? An easy solution would be to make them come as quickly as they do in the 1-100 skill range. I noticed when I took up a new weapon when I was levelling jobs for job emotes that the skillups came very quickly.
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    Player Soranika's Avatar
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    New skill up food + new skill up accessories + martial mastery (for combat skills)= profit

    Seriously, cap skills should STILL mean something for people who take the time to master their jobs instead of having every thing done in a few days, if not a few hours tops. FFXI hasn't even gotten to that point yet. It's not as if skilling up past the original 75 skill cap is even that hard. You just go to all the places that's been there for skilling up for years now.
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    Main Job: SMN95 <Hvergelmir 85 obtained 9/10/11>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimikryo View Post
    If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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    I capped all my skills from 90-95 in a few days. Magic is super easy to cap with the right macros. Combat skills are fine. EVen defensive skills I capped in 2-3 days on PLD using mandies that hit for 0 damage with the right atma, capped shield/sword/parry/evasion/divine magic/ in 3 days.
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    Player Zarchery's Avatar
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    I'm trying to do great axe from 200 to 280 on fortalices and getting about 3-6 points per hour, and that's with Elchenas. Either I'm doing something wrong or it's the game.

    I'm open for suggestions really, if there's a decent way to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarchery View Post
    I'm trying to do great axe from 200 to 280 on fortalices and getting about 3-6 points per hour, and that's with Elchenas. Either I'm doing something wrong or it's the game.

    I'm open for suggestions really, if there's a decent way to do this.
    I went from 101 g.axe to 132 in about 45 minutes this morning just meleeing madies in abyssea tahrongi with regen atmas.

    If you have a dual box you can toss up accesion + phalanx (or phalanx2) and use counter+ atma and round up every mandy you can find and just counter them to death for good skillups. I lvled staff from ~200 to whichever lvl cataclysm is in about an hour (maybe 1.5 hours) (using elshena)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Landsoul View Post
    >Twilight Scythe is overpowered that's why we're nerfing it
    >Weapons with double damage compared to relic

    LOGIC.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler View Post
    \m/ (*.*) \m/ "THIS SOLUTION IS THE MOST METAL!" \m/ (*.*) \m/

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    Player Soranika's Avatar
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    Why at 101 in abyssea. >.< You could skill that up faster at Zi'tah then head to Kuftal tunnal and got much higher than that in 45 mins.
    I guess the atmas help, but skilling up is better and faster by taking on monsters 1/3 the level of your skill level (if I remember correctly)

    Zachery, The boyada tree... everyone should remember and not forget that place. At 280 now though, abyssea is as good as any place now. I spent a good deal skilling up dagger naturally at abby-konschtat on leeches when I was amber farming for KI and wirve hairpin... that I've YET to get. ; ;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimikryo View Post
    If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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    Player Raksha's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Why at 101 in abyssea. >.< You could skill that up faster at Zi'tah then head to Kuftal tunnal and got much higher than that in 45 mins.
    I guess the atmas help, but skilling up is better and faster by taking on monsters 1/3 the level of your skill level (if I remember correctly)

    Zachery, The boyada tree... everyone should remember and not forget that place. At 280 now though, abyssea is as good as any place now. I spent a good deal skilling up dagger naturally at abby-konschtat on leeches when I was amber farming for KI and wirve hairpin... that I've YET to get. ; ;
    well i'm ~240 now, and that only took like 3 hours.

    100% zanshin helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Landsoul View Post
    >Twilight Scythe is overpowered that's why we're nerfing it
    >Weapons with double damage compared to relic

    LOGIC.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler View Post
    \m/ (*.*) \m/ "THIS SOLUTION IS THE MOST METAL!" \m/ (*.*) \m/

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    Player Zarchery's Avatar
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    Maybe I'm just beating my head against a wall on these fortalices. By now they're only lasting about 20 minutes when I'm wearing nothing but a Butterfly Axe, and getting maybe 1.5 points of skill each.

    Come to think of it, I had H2H capped for 90 on MNK. After the level cap was raised I got to 95 fairly quickly and my H2H was still lagging behind. Managed to close the gap reasonably quickly by going MNK/DNC and just pounding on Duriumshell crabs in regular Vunkerl for a while.

    Yesterday I went from 77 to 78 on Bluffalos in Uleguerand. Didn't even do the Dominion Op just so that XP would slow a little. Still, in the whole experience, only got 2 levels of great axe. It bothers me that it's just about impossible to keep combat and magic skills even with XP level growth, whereas it used to be pretty much guaranteed.
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    i wish we could get a training zone that we could battle dummys for a while to skill up(even if it under limited time for each day)
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    Player Ihnako's Avatar
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    Why does everybody request for a special zone just to recap it's skills cause he leveled faster that expected?
    There are plenty hints how you can recap your skills. Just AFKing is for certain spells only.
    Do something for your skill!
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