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    Player Xilk's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louispv View Post
    No it will not. Primal rend will always do 100-200 more damage than cloudsplitter.


    No it will not. You are incredibly lucky if you see 1 double damage proc before the aftermath wears off. Your cloudsplitter will be 400-600 damage behind your rampage. (600-800 behind on anything with shell or magic defense bonus) So you need 5-7 double damage procs to beat rampage. At a 30% activation rate that's more than 15-21 swings of just the main hand weapon in 30 seconds to beat rampage. Or about the same speed as hundred fists.

    Farsha is absolutely worthless except as a high base damage weapon for rampage, and several other weapons beat it there too. I feel sorry for anyone that wastes time getting it. I feel really sorry for those poor stupid bastards that went to all the trouble of getting an Alard's axe.
    You have no cloudsplitter set and you are not paying attention.

    Cloudsplitter has both str and mnd mods at a higher rate than rend's chr mod. Also the tp modifiers are higher, even though 100% is a little lower. and Cloudsplitter has Aftermath.

    The 1200+ rampages outside abyssea are not on anything close to an even match. if you want anything EM or higher, Your rampages will not often break 800. They certainly don't AVERAGE 1200. Whereas the magical WS will be consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilk View Post
    You have no cloudsplitter set and you are not paying attention.

    Cloudsplitter has both str and mnd mods at a higher rate than rend's chr mod. Also the tp modifiers are higher, even though 100% is a little lower. and Cloudsplitter has Aftermath.
    1 STR/MND adds 1.5 damage to cloudsplitter. 1 CHR adds 3.3 damage to primal rend. Primal is always stronger because of it, since you would have to get your STR and MND together to more than 2.2 times larger than your CHR.

    In normal melee gear (which has a lot more STR and MND than CHR, thanks to the fact that it's 2 stats vs 1) Primal Rend does more.

    In MAB gear and STR/MND for Cloudsplitter and CHR for primal, Primal rend does more damage than cloudsplitter.

    With elemental WS atmas, Ultimate/Lion/Blinding horn for cloudsplitter, and Ultimate/Beyond/Baying moon for primal rend, primal rend does more.

    Perhaps while brewing cloudsplitter might do a little more due to 2 maxed out 999 mods compared to 1, (though with no dINT comparison, I doubt it) but killing 3 nm's at the same time with aoelian edge beats using a stronger WS anyway. In any other situation, primal rend is stronger.

    And aftermath doesn't exist. Do you know how many times I've gone the entire duration without it procing a single time? 30 second duration, with only a 30% proc rate, and only on the mainhand is negligible. It doesn't even make up the lost damage from rampage, much less beat it.
    The 1200+ rampages outside abyssea are not on anything close to an even match. if you want anything EM or higher, Your rampages will not often break 800. They certainly don't AVERAGE 1200. Whereas the magical WS will be consistent.
    Yes, and your normal hits are doing far less damage as well, so the double damage procs do far less damage. The numbers remain unchanged. Rampage always win, by a mile. If cloudsplitter is winning for you, I'm going to have to say your rampage gear is terrible.

    Believe me, I tried for weeks to convince myself I didn't just waste months of effort getting a farsha, but I did. There is no set up inside or outside abyssea where cloudsplitter is more useful.
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    Last edited by Louispv; 11-01-2011 at 04:04 PM.

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    May as well throw in one last try begging SE to fix my Farsha...it seems like it's sad now and with the way elemental ws are calculated there'll be minimal increase in its power compared to the other jobs' physical ws.

    Add the aftermath to pet, throw on some dCHR or dINT or whatever. I know it seems to be some kind of SE 'thing' to troll BSTs, but, come on. Show some pity on a job you've seen fit to give both a feeble emp ws to and an army of feeble defense-oriented pets to.
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