[dev1035] Are PUPs the only loved ones?

[Mizuharu]

I have a well-geared, career PUP in my Voidwatch shell. I've known him for half a decade, cool guy.

He comes on his recently Abyssea-burned SCH to all of our runs because PUP is pretty much useless. It's straight up impossible to force the puppet to use really weak weaponskills for procs, so it's far worse in practice than it is on paper. It can't handle every H2H proc, and the rest of its weapons are pretty fail tier, so we're better off just bringing a Mnk to cover everything PUP can do and then some.

I don't think you realize that doing damage is a secondary, hell even tertiary concern these days. PUP can certainly DD with the rest of the big boys, no one's denying that. Hell, so can Dragoon in Abyssea. That doesn't make Dragoon worth a crap in Abyssea. That simply doesn't make it useful when the focus of the game has shifted away from ZERGZERGZERGZERGZERG REPEAT.

Ironically, PUP as it is now would have been a lot more useful 4 years ago.

DRG's a good DD too outside :< All my favorite jobs keep getting shot down qq...

But yeah I have SCH too... Thankfully, we recently got a second SCH so I get to drg or pup more often lol

[Byrth]

Abyssea : You named all the magic WSs that almost every job /WAR can do. That doesn't make PUP a good Abyssea proc job, it makes WAR a good Abyssea proc sub. Also, PUP/WAR can't do Cyclone and Energy Drain.

Voidwatch: Similarly, being able to occasionally rival the damage of a BLM nuke (hint: BLMs aren't there for damage and aren't competitive with DDs) doesn't make it a good Voidwatch job. I'd put PUP as a proccer about on the usefulness level of DNC as a proccer.

Salvage: You don't need an Evasion build for Salvage. At 95, you should cap evade rate in your TP gear thanks to traits. I go DNC/THF to Salvage for TH because my evade rate is perma capped and Utsu isn't doing much for me.

Dynamis: Being able to proc or have TH doesn't make you able to proc with TH, and means there are many jobs better suited to it than PUP.

Again, it's not like PUP can't do any of the things I named... it's just that they're not a good choice if you have other options. Abyssea xp rates have made it so almost everyone has other options.

[Camiie]

I love how people didn't read the OP and only the one-liner insult responses and treated them as though they actually referred to the entirety of the content of the OP. If you aren't going to read why are you on a forum again?

[Soranika]

Spirits don't define or even represent the SMN ability though Mala.... the avatars do.

[Kimble]

I still don't get all the SCH love in voidwatch. Id much rather have a PUP over a SCH. Ive stopped taking SCH to VW and replaced it with a DD and have found runs to go much faster/smoother.

[Mahoro]

I still don't get all the SCH love in voidwatch. Id much rather have a PUP over a SCH. Ive stopped taking SCH to VW and replaced it with a DD and have found runs to go much faster/smoother.

We usually put our main SCH with the BLM PT. Unique procs + versatility in healing or helping out with magic procs + Accession-Embrava if needed on a big zerg (Ildebrann, Cactuar, etc). Although in an ideal alliance I would have a SCH and a PUP/MNK.

[Greatguardian]

We usually put our main SCH with the BLM PT. Unique procs + versatility in healing or helping out with magic procs + Accession-Embrava if needed on a big zerg (Ildebrann, Cactuar, etc). Although in an ideal alliance I would have a SCH and a PUP/MNK.

In addition to your MNK? Or does your ideal alliance have more than 18 slots in it?

[Mahoro]

In addition to your MNK? Or does your ideal alliance have more than 18 slots in it?

Instead of.

[Greatguardian]

Instead of.

I'd love to hear your reasoning for that. Are you so strapped for healing that the WHM puppet becomes necessary?

[Moink]

I was reading about how it seemed like you were fixing everything with PUP in a single update and thought it sounded very wonderful. I could however not avoid noticing how a lot of the changes are stuff that are very closely connected to SMN.

Do you have similar plans for Summoner? (I know you supposedly have surveyed us about ward improvements, but it would be nice to know how much you intend on fixing, seeing as you are fixing everything on PUP)

As one who enjoys all pet jobs I find it somewhat of an insult that you come to write a thread that complains on probably the most broken pet job since it was conceived. You complain now with PUP instead of when BST obtained an over the top JA that turns their jug pets into brief overpowered pets before being forced to dissolve. Or the continued improvements to the DRG's wyvern and its defenses availability as to what it can and can not do. No, it comes down to the PUPs who needed this update for a very long time...

Like are you going to fix Titan's favor to give damage reduction instead of defense, just how you changed the Armor Plating attachments effects?

It is a favor, if your Avatar is out any longer than it needs to be to get off a Rage(Which gets gimped to begin with because you used it's Favor) that doesn't require 300 tp to be good or to do a small Ward to cover a heal then something is wrong.

Are you going to raise the amount of damage reduction on Nocturnal Shield?

It is a buff that is no different than any other BP Ward buff. It is meant to be over written when given the opportunity.

Are you going to increase the priority of sleepga from Shiva since it is 1.5 min (sleepga 2) duration, and yet you can't overwrite sleepga 1 (1 min duration)?

If Sleepga has been landed on a group of mobs, why are you not being more efficient and using Diamond Storm instead? The Ward name says Sleepga not Sleepga II meaning you can't overwrite regardless of the duration, animation or sounds being similar to Sleepga II. Clearly there is a BLM or RDM in the group and your job isn't crowd control in respect of sleeping.

Are you going to split up and improve healing AI for Light Spirit?

Spirits should be the least of your concern. Especially the Light one to which has the capacity to cast Regen and other Party Specific only boosts OUTSIDE of the party and into the Alliance.

Are you going to add new spells to Spirits? (Since apparently it is still only Light Spirit getting new nukes and nothing else)

Do you really stand there watching your Spirits cast nukes on Monsters or worse yet NMs when you could be more efficient using your actual use as in the 9 soon to be 10 that are in all honesty more powerful and will always be more powerful than a Spirt?

Yes I know there are 11 available and 2 more coming down the pipe but 3 of them will be no more useful than watching paint dry if your Astral flow is Down.

I'm quite envious at the amount of "fixes" going towards PUP right now. I've always said "fixes" are the only thing SMN needs, and yet all we get is new content. Never do we seem to get adjustments that make our old abilities useful.

Do to wards what you did to attachments, and do to spirits what you did to frames, and I believe you might have rejuvenated SMN into a brand new job.

The job doesn't need "rejuvenated", maybe a few fixes or requests of more fancy Avatars but it never needed a fix anywhere near the capacity of the Automaton.

Using a math equation for an analogy of the Aumaton and Spirits is horrible as is the lawn cutting scenario. The code isn't the same and if my lawn had any level of importance and my son or daughter had cut the front lawn because its more respectable than my fenced in backyard that noone can see or even care about and might get to it later when there are "less" important chores to take care then fine by me.