Why Cant Final fantasy 11 get the same treatment?

[Vitus]

Really?...... cuz when I see a MMORPG that is 1-2 years old and only has 50k subscribers, I think that the game probably is going to be canceled before I even get to make any significant progress in it. When I see one that is 10 years old and has several hundred thousand players I expect that game to have a lot to offer.

One would rather joins a younger game with ~10millions subs than an older game of only ~100k population. There is no hope for FFXI 2.0. That's the reality. Just live with it. SE won't throw money away just to make you happy, i'm sure of it.

[Darkvalkyr]

Oh god this topic again....

My view:
First things first, FFXIV is NOT being remade as some seem to really believe it to be in every sense of that word. The game's not being tossed out the window for a new one - they've already got the bases set and are building it up slowly per update as they make changes each patch - nowhere is it evident that they're deleting old content bar lost-forever storyline which is actually PART of the storyline and not a retcon. The UI screenshot makes the game seem new and flashy and a toss away of the current game, but it's actually the same thing reskinned with changed graphics engine and stuff.

At the end of the day, Square Enix decided that the prospects of pouring/allocating in cash in upgrading FFXIV would pay off better and reduced how many funds the FFXI dev team would get. That's how it is, and given how they've been working since Yoshida's taken over and have already come much closer to making 2.0, saying that SE should've done otherwise is telling them to separate the milk from ice cream once it's been mixed into a milkshake.

[FrankReynolds]

I never said it would take 8 years to catch up or that a new player would perceive it to take them 8 years, I said there is 8 years of content in the game. As in Expansions, storylines, zones, cut scenes, updates, tweaks, etc. When you tell a person there's all this great stuff for you to do but almost all of the players will already be past all that and not doing it anymore you don't give them much hope.

The younger an MMO is the less likely it is that the majority of the player base will be top heavy meaning higher chances of existing players mixing in with the new players on the beginning/older content.

When this game came out in NA, the JP players had already beat all the missions etc. and NA players cried a little. Life went on. When the game came out on 360, CPU / PS2 players had already beat everything. 360 players cried and life went on. Now that FFXIV is out, this is somehow supposed to change? get real guy. Even if FFXIV becomes a super hit 18 months from now, FFXI is and will be (there was no mass exodus when FFXIV launched the first time, there won't be next time either) still an extremely profitable game. Even if rebuilding just allowed them to keep the customer base at what it is now without adding any new customers, it would be a worthwhile investment.

You keep saying 8 years of content, but your not trying to insinuate that people perceive it as taking 8 years? Exactly how long do you think people think it will take? You went to WOW and came back, why? Didn't you know that the population was "Top Heavy", and that no one would do content with you? All I'm hearing is that you want to play FFXIV so that you can be a big fissh in a small pond. That will come to an end in any MMORPG eventually. sorry.

[Zagen]

When this game came out in NA, the JP players had already beat all the missions etc. and NA players cried a little. Life went on. When the game came out on 360, CPU / PS2 players had already beat everything. 360 players cried and life went on. Now that FFXIV is out, this is somehow supposed to change? get real guy. Even if FFXIV becomes a super hit 18 months from now, FFXI is and will be (there was no mass exodus when FFXIV launched the first time, there won't be next time either) still an extremely profitable game. Even if rebuilding just allowed them to keep the customer base at what it is now without adding any new customers, it would be a worthwhile investment.

NA launch also had a ton of buzz around the game finally coming over meaning a huge influx of new players. When I started playing (NA PC release) there were very few level capped players running around nor a majority of JP players complete with all missions (got most of my missions done with JP players because they liked the fact I attempted to talk to them with translation lists, or brought me around to laugh at me because of that either way I got missions done with JP players) and at that time I was playing during late PST/Prime JP time so not sure what you're talking about. Also saw very few players JP or NA being at 75, then again considering the EXP required to get 75 back then was closer to going from 1-95 now and no Colibri speed exp let alone Abyssea speed.

I haven't met a single 360 player in the 5 years it has been around who wasn't a PS2 or PC player first. Not to mention back then I knew quite a few people who hadn't even finished getting 1 job to level 75 so everyone having beaten everything is BS, back then the ratio was probably at best a 40/60 ratio favoring people who hadn't beaten everything yet.

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You keep saying 8 years of content, but your not trying to insinuate that people perceive it as taking 8 years? Exactly how long do you think people think it will take? You went to WOW and came back, why? Didn't you know that the population was "Top Heavy", and that no one would do content with you? All I'm hearing is that you want to play FFXIV so that you can be a big fissh in a small pond. That will come to an end in any MMORPG eventually. sorry.

When I explained the game was around for several years, it was a selling point to my friends and co-workers I talked into trying the game out, most left after a few months because if I wasn't around to help them most of the time they couldn't get things done because no one was doing older content.

I left WoW because it had no deep story line to suck me in at the time, I hear its gotten better with the newer expansions but I haven't played to know for sure. Sure it was top heavy when I played yet some how I had no problem teaming up with other new or experienced players the whole way from level 1 to 40 something before I quit.

You think I want to play FFXIV to be a big fish? I'm one of the player's who refused to make the jump because the closed beta once I got it running (yay horrible driver comparability) felt like an alpha game at best. When FFXIV 2.0 comes out I'll reevaluate my decision but until then I don't care for the game. That however doesn't detract from being able to see it has a higher potential financial gain in the long run than FFXI does from a revamp.

[Atomic_Skull]

FFXI has about 300k subscribers these days which is actually pretty good for an MMO that isn't WoW. For comparison, EVE Online (which is about the same age) has 500k.

Back in 2007 FFXI had around 500k, it was only when SE all but abandoned development on the game in 2008 to concentrate on FFXIV that subscriptions started falling off.

EVE is just as much of an "old game" as FFXI and yet with technology updates to the client to keep it current and regular content releases it has increased it's subscribers over the years.

[Zagen]

FFXI has about 300k subscribers these days which is actually pretty good for an MMO that isn't WoW. For comparison, EVE Online (which is about the same age) has 500k.

EVE is just as much of an "old game" as FFXI and yet with technology updates to the client to keep it current it has increased it's subscribers over the years.

Except they designed the game engine for PC allowing for said tech updates, also if I'm not mistaken they had a partial if not complete engine overhaul a few years ago.

[Atomic_Skull]

Except they designed the game engine for PC allowing for said tech updates, also if I'm not mistaken they had a partial if not complete engine overhaul a few years ago.

They did, but at the same time they maintained compatibility with the old client on the same servers for a couple years after that for people with PCs that weren't powerful enough to run the new client.

[Zagen]

They did, but at the same time they maintained compatibility with the old client on the same servers for a couple years after that for people with PCs that weren't powerful enough to run the new client.

Ah that's nice customer service there wasn't aware of that part heh.

[Vitus]

SE understands perfectly even with minimal resrouces allocate to FFXI and they can still maintain steady subs. They wouldn't put "lipstick on a pig" because they are smart enough to know it is a waste of resources.

[FrankReynolds]

NA launch also had a ton of buzz around the game finally coming over meaning a huge influx of new players. When I started playing (NA PC release) there were very few level capped players running around nor a majority of JP players complete with all missions (got most of my missions done with JP players because they liked the fact I attempted to talk to them with translation lists, or brought me around to laugh at me because of that either way I got missions done with JP players) and at that time I was playing during late PST/Prime JP time so not sure what you're talking about. Also saw very few players JP or NA being at 75, then again considering the EXP required to get 75 back then was closer to going from 1-95 now and no Colibri speed exp let alone Abyssea speed.

I haven't met a single 360 player in the 5 years it has been around who wasn't a PS2 or PC player first. Not to mention back then I knew quite a few people who hadn't even finished getting 1 job to level 75 so everyone having beaten everything is BS, back then the ratio was probably at best a 40/60 ratio favoring people who hadn't beaten everything yet.

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When I explained the game was around for several years, it was a selling point to my friends and co-workers I talked into trying the game out, most left after a few months because if I wasn't around to help them most of the time they couldn't get things done because no one was doing older content.

I left WoW because it had no deep story line to suck me in at the time, I hear its gotten better with the newer expansions but I haven't played to know for sure. Sure it was top heavy when I played yet some how I had no problem teaming up with other new or experienced players the whole way from level 1 to 40 something before I quit.

You think I want to play FFXIV to be a big fish? I'm one of the player's who refused to make the jump because the closed beta once I got it running (yay horrible driver comparability) felt like an alpha game at best. When FFXIV 2.0 comes out I'll reevaluate my decision but until then I don't care for the game. That however doesn't detract from being able to see it has a higher potential financial gain in the long run than FFXI does from a revamp.

I see nothing here explaining why giving FFXI some love and new life is a bad idea. Be honest, your friends quit because the leveling grind was awful and getting a group for missions sucked. XP is super easy to get now, and you don't need a specific group to do most of the missions anymore. There are people all over these forums complaining that they spent years getting sea/limbus/sky/relics/salvage gear, that is now outclassed by stuff that people who just started playing this year already have. The amount of time the game has been out is only seen as negative because they haven't done any major modernization on it.

You know damn well that if they came out with FFXI V.2, you would buy it, and if it was good, you would tell all those same people you told before to buy it again. People who follow this stuff know that FFXIV has been panned by the critics / players. The 6.9 billion other people on this planet are just as likely to buy FFXI V.2 as they are FFXIV V.2, becasue they don't know the friggin difference. FFXI however has 10 times the player base, and is thus already a guaranteed return on investment.