Why Cant Final fantasy 11 get the same treatment?

[Zagen]

It makes more sense to spend money on a successfull game with an high pop steady userbase than a total failure with a very unsure future. This whole thing is about saving face on a failure game though not business sense.

Not when almost all of that user base is top heavy (i.e. already level capped, no reason to play with newbies).

Not when the engine is over 10 years old, even if PS2 support was killed the engine still has limits because it was built on the specs of a PS2 (full engine rebuild is needed where 14 can get away with a revamp due to a newer core engine).

Not when a revamp risks losing the current established user base because the changes are unwelcome. (If the BST pet poll is any testament to how SE really listens to the players this is highly likely.)

Not when a revamp involves a lot of existing content and story lines.

There are more reasons but these are fairly major reasons why revamping 11 isn't as financially feasible as 14.

[cidbahamut]

The amount of resources they are pouring into FFXIV is absolutely appalling. If even a modest chunk of those resources were instead being devoted to FFXI I think we would have a much richer gaming experience, rather than a thousand little inconveniences that take SE years to admit are there, to say nothing of the time it takes them to address the issues.

[FrankReynolds]

Not when almost all of that user base is top heavy (i.e. already level capped, no reason to play with newbies).

Do you think the people currently playing FFXIV are all sitting at level 1 waiting for more people to come? Or do you just think that they are inherently better people than the players of FFXI? Why would they be any more inclined to play with new players than the FFXI community is? The new players will play with the new players.

Not when the engine is over 10 years old, even if PS2 support was killed the engine still has limits because it was built on the specs of a PS2 (full engine rebuild is needed where 14 can get away with a revamp due to a newer core engine).

Not when a revamp risks losing the current established user base because the changes are unwelcome. (If the BST pet poll is any testament to how SE really listens to the players this is highly likely.)

They could perform the same rebuild on FFXI. Even if they lost / alienated half the people playing FFXI now by dropping PS2 and adding PS3 support, they would still end up with more customers than FFXIV has right now, and the same potential for new customers.

Not when a revamp involves a lot of existing content and story lines.

They are redoing all the story lines for FFXIV. Whats the difference?

There are more reasons but these are fairly major reasons why revamping 11 isn't as financially feasible as 14.

Everything you just listed applies to FFXIV or any other MMO they make equally.

[Zagen]

The amount of resources they are pouring into FFXIV is absolutely appalling. If even a modest chunk of those resources were instead being devoted to FFXI I think we would have a much richer gaming experience, rather than a thousand little inconveniences that take SE years to admit are there, to say nothing of the time it takes them to address the issues.

And without those resources being put into 11 people are still paying SE to play where as that isn't true about 14.

[Zagen]

Do you think the people currently playing FFXIV are all sitting at level 1 waiting for more people to come? Or do you just think that they are inherently better people than the players of FFXI? Why would they be any more inclined to play with new players than the FFXI community is? The new players will play with the new players

And how many people are playing 14 compared to 11? If 14 had the player base 11 does I wouldn't have mentioned this.

They could perform the same rebuild on FFXI. Even if they lost / alienated half the people playing FFXI now by dropping PS2 and adding PS3 support, they would still end up with more customers than FFXIV has right now, and the same potential for new customers.

They aren't rebuilding the 14 engine from scratch in a year and a half... they're updating the current one. You can't get the same potential from the 11 game engine even if all console support was dropped. When an engine is initially built on a core spec it suffers from that. Why do you think 14 has its own engine and not just an upgraded version of 11's engine?

They are redoing all the story lines for FFXIV. Whats the difference?

How deep is the storyline in 14 compared to 11?

[cidbahamut]

And without those resources being put into 11 people are still paying SE to play where as that isn't true about 14.

Pouring endless piles of money into a game that has already crashed and burned makes just as much financial sense(or possibly less) than devoting a fraction of that money to a successful game to give it some maintenance it has needed for years.

[Zagen]

Pouring endless piles of money into a game that has already crashed and burned makes just as much financial sense(or possibly less) than devoting a fraction of that money to a successful game to give it some maintenance it has needed for years.

Except it doesn't when that game is still making profits without that additional maintenance.

[cidbahamut]

You don't refuse to change the oil in your car simply because the engine has yet to fuse into a smoldering lump of immovable metal.

[Zagen]

You don't refuse to change the oil in your car simply because the engine has yet to fuse into a smoldering lump of immovable metal.

Bad analogy.
Changing your oil is minor maintenance not major.

[Neisan_Quetz]

And not addressing that minor maintenance can cause major problems down the road.

XI doesn't -need- (I say this tentatively cause of ps2limitationsexcuse etc.) a total remake - not that I wouldn't like one - but it certainly needs more attention than a stretched and overworked dev team because all the resources are being poured into a game that's already been deemed an overall failure.