Give every job dual wield at 99

[Prothscar]

This is one of the worst ideas that I have read in a very long time, and since the official forums were opened I've seen more craptacular ideas than I likely ever will for any other medium in my life.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

One person remarked on Rdm melee? Exaggeration much!? Pot calling the kettle black?

I remarked on your one, single post. You remarked on the entire topic.. so no.. Your Point = NULL

[Soranika]

Oh great, another bloody rdm melee topic. Rdm, equally geared and played will always be worse at DD than a dedicated melee job, and every moron who says otherwise is trying to compare their view of a good rdm melee with a terrible [other DD].

Since when was this topic derailed into "another bloody rdm melee topic"? No one was discussing melee rdm or even damage potential or lack there for of but mostly generalization very, very briefly.

My Rdm out-DDs Wars in Dom Op parties, does that make me better or equal to war as a job? Hell no. It just means I'm a better player than said Wars, and was I on War myself, I would be doing significantly more damge still.

No one cares?

As far as bst goes: You're complaining you have to make a choice of shadows+pet PDT-10% against being able to cure with MP? Big whoop-di-doop. Almost all jobs have to make choices and sacrifices through subjob choices. It's part of the game, get over it.

We went to talking about bst to whm, from combat application to stat boosting consideration of duel wielding. You have a poor way of summing up and digesting the contents of what's been discussed.

Rest assured, we're not singling out rdm melee, I picked on whm melee too so how about keeping your panties on a second and not barge in complaining instead of joining the discussion rationally... I guess if that's possible.

[noodles355]

I remarked on your one, single post. You remarked on the entire topic.. so no.. Your Point = NULL

I love that one person remarks on something said about RDM

You posted saying that one person commented about rdm melee, which was not justification for my outburst. So yes, that's an exaggeration and you're a hypocrite.

Since when was this topic derailed into "another bloody rdm melee topic"?

If it has potential to turn into a Rdm melee topic, then it needs to be snuffed out early. That's that. There were a good 4~ replies about rdm melee, that's enough to send off the alarm bells and try and stop it.

We went to talking about bst to whm, from combat application to stat boosting consideration of duel wielding.

What's your point? The argument I posted regarding bst is the exact same for whm too. But here, I'll re-quote the relevant section as you seem to have some sort of selective reading problem:

Big whoop-di-doop. Almost all jobs have to make choices and sacrifices through subjob choices. It's part of the game, get over it.

I do love the arrogant tone of your post, when you haven't actually concidered what I wrote properly. "Oh! he sounds angry so what he says must be rubbish and I shall argue it because it being angry has made me angry too!"

[MDenham]

Seriously WHM was mentioned too, should we call it a WHM Melee topic aswell?

Temper for WHM!

[Daniel_Hatcher]

You posted saying that one person commented about rdm melee, which was not justification for my outburst. So yes, that's an exaggeration and you're a hypocrite.

Well no, not quite.

But okay...

[noodles355]

I love that one person remarks on something said about RDM and you call it a RDM Melee topic.

Well yes, quite.

[Soranika]

I do love the arrogant tone of your post, when you haven't actually concidered what I wrote properly. "Oh! he sounds angry so what he says must be rubbish and I shall argue it because it being angry has made me angry too!"

Seriously, calm your tits and stop taking everything as a personal offense.

If you read back to one of my last posts about duel wield, the last thing I said that it's combat trait and should stay that way. Yes, it's about making choices and sacrifices over what subjob you use, but pretty much everything else you bother to type is down right ignorant to the discussion out of paranoia that some one dissing the way you may choose to play your favorite job or whatever. In short, you lost credibility before your closing statement was made.

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Temper for WHM!

I vote for Ternary Flourish on WHM.

[MDenham]

I vote for Ternary Flourish on WHM.

Native Quadruple Attack, retroactive to lv85.

[Yinnyth]

At 99, free us from having to choose a either nin or dnc sub to get dual wield. Open up the sub job possibilities with native dual weild for every job at 99

If the idea is to open up more SJ options, the solution is not to give every job dualwield. The solution is to make other SJs equally useful in other ways.

When's the last time you saw someone sub blu or cor? bst is mostly only good as a sj for charm (an enmity tool), but even that is pretty weak. pup only gets used as a sj if the ADD trick needs to get used. The autorefresh from /smn ain't all that attractive now that /sch 1ups it. Most SJs are a terrible choice right now. It's no wonder you're using nin or dnc! Not only do they give you dualwield, but they give you sneak/invis methods, nin gives you shadows, and dnc gives you heals, sambas, steps, and flourishes!

The real problem is that other jobs don't have complimentary traits/JAs/spells at low levels. What would you sub on bst if you had native dualwield? Yeah, war, because of berserk, aggressor, double attack, provoke, etc. Lots of jobs need to have their SJ usability re-examined.