Where's our Relic...?

[saevel]

You do realize, right, that the reason BG is funny and popular is because the information is TRUE that's why it's so sad? You also must realize that false information on BG is burned and purged and probably banhammered so fast the poster doesn't even know what hit them? Those forums are actually moderated and controlled, unlike what I'm sure you're used to.
Does it get lonely being so self-righteous?

ITT: Red Mage melee is totally not a 2005 discussion, oh and POIDH.

Right .... and how was it when bat-tazz when around hacking people's accounts and selling / stealing their stuff. Or the dupping ban hammer QQing when the posters insisted the game would crash and burn without them. Or even that you have an entire thread devoted to nothing but trolling and trash talking the Official forums.

There is a reason BG has got a reputation for being nothing more then a collection of e-thugs who like to pat each other on the back. It's like a Junior / HS over there.

But your right, it's totally an ordered scholarly website. (BTW most of the math was jacked from SG / MT and copy pasta'd, ya'll didn't invent the game).

[Shadowsong]

Right .... and how was it when bat-tazz when around hacking people's accounts and selling / stealing their stuff. Or the dupping ban hammer QQing when the posters insisted the game would crash and burn without them. Or even that you have an entire thread devoted to nothing but trolling and trash talking the Official forums.

There is a reason BG has got a reputation for being nothing more then a collection of e-thugs who like to pat each other on the back. It's like a Junior / HS over there.

But your right, it's totally an ordered scholarly website. (BTW most of the math was jacked from SG / MT and copy pasta'd, ya'll didn't invent the game).

Again, Trolling: I don't think it means what you think it means.
Also cool deal bringing up bannings from 5 years ago
And if that is the reputation we have among people like you, Thank God is all I have to say. Means you won't spread your stupidity over to there.

And if "trolling" means posting retarded messages word for word then laughing about it, than yes, we troll. But i prefer to call it a "social critique"

[Molech]

Lol this whole thread = I can pee farther than you.

[saevel]

Why is it BG is always bashed by someone on these forums, and then glorified to the heavens by others?

Simple, it's a forum where the moderators allow and encourage troll's to exist and thrive. The trolling has become an accepted and then expected behavior. It has nothing to do with "high end" or "low end", there are many, in fact I would venture to say most "high end" players don't go near that place and don't even care about it. It's where people go to circle jerk and agree with each other about how awesome they are. Basically like any Junior High or High School in the USA.

Seriously, they have a thread, on it's third iteration no less, that's only purpose is to troll and trash talk these forums. Its encouraged by the mods. If that's not the very definition of trolling then what is?

[Kitkat]

Contradictions......

Of course that fact that I get 2K+ CDC's on everything else in the game just kindly slips your mind.

No way in hell am I getting 2K on everything, especially as they each have different stats.

An easier way to put it in perspective, my RDM frequently does 1.5~2K CDC's on VWNM's, and I'm talking Jeuno / Outlands VWNM's here. Now these aren't "epeen" shots, their actual averages (2.6K highest on Jeuno VWNM so far)

I said VWNM's not T3

Anyway, this has devolved into some sort of a bash fest, since saveal turned it into that by bringing up something that had nothing to do with the discussion (regardless of what you think, bg had nothing to do with anything until you brought it up), so I'm ducking out. Not only did the initial debate steer off topic, but not it is so far off topic it seems more of a flame/deny thread than a debate.

Saveal, you have what is commonly known as "tunnel vision" where you can see your own views perfectly, but when faced with anything that even remotely goes against these views you will basically do everything aside from what you should to prove your point. Set limitations, argue what is a constant value, argue against known constants, toss accusations to side track the debate when it isn't going your way. If you can't keep on track then why even try?

To the bashers, once a point is proven it does little good to pick at his side tracked comments since you only fuel it on further. To the few that came in and further supported and corrected miscalculations, that is what was needed, but obviously it is too far outside saveals perfect view so must be wrong according to him.

[Vadai]

Ahh now it begins huh, I said VWNM's I didn't say only T3's. Actually I do get 1.8K ish on the Flying eyeball, or will you now say that the eyeball is "too weak" and only count Pil / Kaggan as "real" T3s? The upper ended ones are usually on the Jeuno T1's and T2's, like the Wivre, Buggard, Tauri and so forth.

If you trolls are so confident that "it's not possible" then why the sudden imposition of requirements like Kaggan?

I didn't know you can misunderstand that post. I'll make it even more clear just for you.

I clearly stated that you can screenshot CDCs of any of the mentioned mobs, which includes Akvan obviously. Needless to say, a single CDC will not be sufficent, as you will eventually hit a high number with any WS. If you are averaging 1.8k(notice how your numbers get smaller every day?), it should be no problem for you to provide multiple screenshots of your CDC damage.

I did not say you are required to take screenshots from Kaggen to prove your point. How you assumed that is very easy to explain: You don't hit numbers that high, maybe you have never fought any of the T3s even, but I can't say that as I don't know you. To make sure you don't have to post anything, you twist things other people say around to make it look like they are changing the requirements to believe you, thus hoping other people reading it will be on your side rather than the ones argueing against you with facts.

Again: Nothing was changed, I simply gave you the 6 names of the mobs we consider high tier Voidwatch, so there's no confusion and you come back with screenshots of a T1. Whether they are from Kaggen or from Akvan, doesn't really matter to me, as long as you provide more than one of them and aren't stating things like "this is what I usually do to X mob". Prove us that your average CDC is as high as you are telling us, and everyone will stop argueing against you(in that point at least).

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Do let me know when the peeing contest is over. Thanks!

[Qeepel]

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