Eleven Fajin boots!

[Leonlionheart]

I don't want to live on this planet anymore

[Alhanelem]

Topic title makes me think about writing a "Twelve Days of Voidwatch" song.

[Tagrineth]

If anything, I think SE should make it so Rare drops you get in your box that you ALREADY OWN can be bumped into the Treasure Pool.

That coupled with faster fights and higher drop rates would probably come pretty close to fixing the issue entirely, while still maintaining the integrity of the system as intended.

Make it so when you select to obtain the item from the box, the game detects the RARE conflict and automatically resolves the conflict using the treasure pool. Shouldn't be THAT hard to special-case it for Voidwatch boxes.

[Vold]

I bet if someone forced them to watch a video of another MMO giving 100% drops on a HNM kill that they would start melting.

[Nightfyre]

Pseudorandom drops are for all intents and purposes random, I've seen no rhyme or reason to the distribution of the 10 bodies and miscellaneous other drops we've received. To believe otherwise is almost certainly falling prey to the human tendency to seek patterns in randomness.

EDIT: before someone jumps on "10 bodies", we have done a lot of Voidwatch. We haven't even seen every body either, let alone any of the Zilart path HQ weapons.

[Alhanelem]

To believe otherwise is almost certainly falling prey to the human tendency to seek patterns in randomness.

We seek patterns in randomness because
1) Not as many things are truly random as we think, and computers are technically incapable of being truly random
2) It is more difficult to prove that something IS random than it is to prove that something isn't.

Of course, a day's worth of voidwatch runs by one group is far, far from an adequate sample from which to derive any kind of reasonable conclusion.

[Nightfyre]

We seek patterns in randomness because
1) Not as many things are truly random as we think,

Not going to get into a determinism argument here, though that has nothing to do with why we seek patterns.

and computers are technically incapable of being truly random

Pseudorandom drops are for all intents and purposes random

Think I already covered that. "For all intents and purposes" because the difference between the two is trivial unless you're able to manipulate the pseudorandom option, which is probably a no-go in FFXI given that it's handled server-side.

2) It is more difficult to prove that something IS random than it is to prove that something isn't.

Again, this has nothing to do with why we seek patterns. We seek patterns as a survival tactic, as do many other animals.

[saevel]

We seek patterns in randomness because
1) Not as many things are truly random as we think, and computers are technically incapable of being truly random
2) It is more difficult to prove that something IS random than it is to prove that something isn't.

Of course, a day's worth of voidwatch runs by one group is far, far from an adequate sample from which to derive any kind of reasonable conclusion.

For one this is based on the combined experience of ever poster on BG and Alla and this forum combined. We know their less then 1%, no need to attempt to shove sunshine up our arses.

And RNG's can be made random, measuring the electric potential between two interconnects inside a CPU down to the sixth decimal place is considered random. Typically RNG's have their seeds salted with entropy accumulated inside an entropy buffer, /dev/random on a Unix OS. For all intents and purposes it's considered random as it is fundamentally unpredictable. The act of trying to read the entropy buffer or the quantum charge would result it in changing and thus be useless for deterministic predictions.

[Arcon]

1) Not as many things are truly random as we think, and computers are technically incapable of being truly random

Computers are perfectly able to handle true randomness. And pseudorandomness is not only "for all intents and purposes" indistinguishable from true randomness, it's completely indistinguishable for humans, that's implied by the definition of the word. So even if something is pseudorandom, it would have no correlation with patterns we read into it.

I'm very sure people are reading too much into this. It's random, and it just sucks. People tend to focus more on the flaws in a system, they notice a lack of drops more than on the actual drops. See the birthday problem, same thing.

[Leonlionheart]

67 likes, which is about as much as an update from the devs...

Shouldn't that get some fucking attention?