One Tank Job Out of 20 Is Bad Game Design

[Alderin]

Sorry I read half the thread and got bored of people arguing over what "end game content" is - so didn't read past page 3.

In response to the OP's topic however - PLD is a luxury. A handful of jobs can successfully tank T1-T4 (sandy, windy, basty) VW nm's reasonably comfortably. Might need a few extra cures, yet can still be done with a few setup modifications. In fact you can probably do this for Jeuno/Zilart nm's as well - with the right setup.

As for Q.Q about not having a PLD at your disposal - at ragnarok I would nearly run out of fingers to count on if I were to name all the Ochain/Aegis PLD's I knew on here that tank VW nm's on a consistent basis. Have you not noticed the large amount of Ochains that have popped up ever since VW came out?

If you don't have a PLD in the LS - shout for it! It's not hard - I am pretty certain you will be able to find one..

As mentioned in previous posts - What is a WHM designed for? Healing. What is a BLM designed for? Nuking. What is a PLD designed for? Tanking!

Every role has it's specialists - yet also has it's hybrids. A SCH can assist with heals & nukes, a NIN can tank, enfeeb & light DD, a MNK can heavy DD & tank moderately (ie. Hybrid). A PLD is designed to tank (ie. Specialist).

So in summary - No, PLD is not the only tank. Other jobs *can* do it, just not as well as PLD can (Abyssea drops that theory out the window however, due to atmas).

[MarkovChain]

If you insist on making things ten times harder than they have to be, that still doesn't make those things innately hard.

The same can be said to anything in the game. Voidwatch is cake. AV was cake at 75 (now it's pretty clear that they were expecting you to bring several alliances to keep the fight going after meteor).

[Teakwood]

AFK laughing myself into a tiny little ball.

"Give Paladin a purpose again!"

*patches later*

"Baw, Paladin has a purpose again!"

[Alhanelem]

AV was cake at 75

So how many times did you beat it at 75 with legitimate tactics that didn't result in a patch to change AV, or that didn't get one or more people suspended or banned?

AV was only "cake" for a short time (before cap rises) when DRK zerging worked. Then they patched that out, and it was hard again.

(Wall of Justice doesn't count either, that was patched and people got in trouble for it)

[MarkovChain]

Nobody did beat it because you needed 3-4 alliances to take it down, BUT it's artificial difficulty (like voidwatch anyway, and PW). There is very little content that is difficult for a given realistic number of people. Out of my mind, Einherjar was decent in difficulty even with 30+ people, mostly because there was no place for gimp DDs in tier III. Maxing out the number of coins per run in dynamis was also semi-difficult for the same reasons. And of course salvage ! Killing all NMs plus boss with 6 could only be done with well geared player and with a good organization.

[Alhanelem]

Difficulty is difficulty whether or not it comes from mechanics that feel forced/artificial.

I'd agree that salvage was one of the better challenges in the game (prior to cap increase), though it still allowed for many jobs to participate as long as the people playing them were competent and not stupid. PLD remained under-appriciated during that time though. It's good to see it being used in VW.

[MarkovChain]

PLD is no more useful in voidwatch. Everytime people think something is hard they think PLD. I've done the level 90 fights on mnk w/o trouble. SE gave us cheats with sherzo, earthen armor and perfect defense. Anyone is immune to damage with EA+sherzo, not just paladin so yeah. And I'd say PLD is less at its avantage because EA+sherzo is more efficient when you take more damage.

[Yinnyth]

PLD is no more useful in voidwatch. Everytime people think something is hard they think PLD. I've done the level 90 fights on mnk w/o trouble. SE gave us cheats with sherzo, earthen armor and perfect defense. Anyone is immune to damage with EA+sherzo, not just paladin so yeah. And I'd say PLD is less at its avantage because EA+sherzo is more efficient when you take more damage.

Please tell me that's hyperbole and you don't actually believe that scherzo/EA makes you immune to hundred fists, quadruple attack, and extreme DoT like Kaustra.

[Babekeke]

PLD is no more useful in voidwatch. Everytime people think something is hard they think PLD. I've done the level 90 fights on mnk w/o trouble. SE gave us cheats with sherzo, earthen armor and perfect defense. Anyone is immune to damage with EA+sherzo, not just paladin so yeah. And I'd say PLD is less at its avantage because EA+sherzo is more efficient when you take more damage.

This is my final straw for you, apparently your stupidity knows no bounds. Just ecasue you don't NEED a PLD in voidwatch, doesn't mean that it's 'no more useful in voidwatch'. Voidwatch requires a tank that can keep hate without dealing too much damage during the proccing stage. That, you incompetent fool, is paladin.

Finally time to add you to ignore list methinks.

[Tamoa]

This is my final straw for you, apparently your stupidity knows no bounds. Just ecasue you don't NEED a PLD in voidwatch, doesn't mean that it's 'no more useful in voidwatch'. Voidwatch requires a tank that can keep hate without dealing too much damage during the proccing stage. That, you incompetent fool, is paladin.

Finally time to add you to ignore list methinks.

It's also nice to have a pld to hold the adds.