Are We Wasting Our Time?

[Selzak]

Well according to Cremate it was the other regions as well that were included.
Biggest whoosh ever that the guy screaming unfair treatment didnt consider the European + other forums?

Apparently you aren't paying much attention.

There were four Hippogryph votes on the German forum, zero votes on the French forum. That doesn't change anything at all.

[Puck]

Well according to Cremate it was the other regions as well that were included.
Biggest whoosh ever that the guy screaming unfair treatment didnt consider the European + other forums?

If you'd have actually read any of this thread you'd see that, counting ALL regions, scorpion still won and Hippogryph was 4th. So the whoosh here is over you.

[noodles355]

What about in the French and German forums? Did you tally those votes up?

I just did.
French forums: 0 voted on everything. Not a single vote. Sauce: "Suggestions for the future of Bst
German forums: 5 Hippo, 3 Orobon, 2 Ironclad (lulz), 1 Scorp, 1 Chigoe, 1 Chloris, 1 Opo-opo Sauce: Which new pet should Beastmaster get?
That brings the total score accross all forum'd nations to... 47-27. Accross all nations the scorpion won by twenty votes. You can vote for whoever you want as long as you vote for us.

In mother russia, Pet charms you.

[noodles355]

Also, yes, I just called SE communist. What of it?

[Vivik]

What are the percentages per region? Thinking they did not go off of votes total but maybe percentage per region? Idk...

[noodles355]

41% of germans voted Hippo, 8% of germans voted Scorpion.
0% of french voted Hippo, 0% of french voted Scorpion.
I didn't count the total number of votes for the japanese and english votes, Insaniac can answer those ones for you.

The only logical response they have is saying "We took each regions winner, and tallied the 4 winners" which would come as 2 votes for Hippo and 1 Vote for Scorp (And one vote for N/A) - However, this choice is completely rediculous concidering that the majority of the posting playerbase, by a significant margin, supported the Scorpion. They can justify this all they want but the simple fact is that one of two things happened:
They took the results from the JP Forum, and ignored everyone else.
They had already made up their minds and made a pretend poll to apease the playerbase.

Both of these options are equally appalling, and SE as a company should be ashamed of themselves. Pride is a big thing for Japanese companies, do they realise how much they are embarrasing themselves and how much credability with the western world they are losing?
Also, do you know what is happening right now? I would bet a lot of money on this: Camate and Beyhonne have made comments in their staff forum (which was admitted to exist in Tanaka's post earlier) saying "The english are unhappy" and "They have proven the results aren't accurate" but have been met with absolute silence. You've seen Camate's posts, he reads most of everything, and so doe Bayhonne, they even go as far as responding to jokes and followup questions if they have the answers. But they haven't made a single comment. Know why? Because the messengers have been given nothing by HQ. SE are burrying their heads in the sand and denying the existence of any discontent.

[Insaniac]

I can't answer that actually. I threw away the paper I tallied on =P.

I think right now they are in the "Let's just see if this goes away" phase. I wonder what kind of post count we would need to get Tanaka to pop in here and say "SO SOLLY!"

[Lokithor]

You know, I'm not too opinionated one way or another, although I do tend to get prickly when people don't listen to me or, worse, pretend to when they are actually ignoring me. But I don't mind being devil's advocate every now and then, so here goes.

Maybe SE is being truly democratic! Representation by population (a popular concept in USA I'm told). 100% of the player base that represents 2-3 times as many players / subscribers as NA voted for Hippo. Weighting and all ya know.

[FrankReynolds]

You know, I'm not too opinionated one way or another, although I do tend to get prickly when people don't listen to me or, worse, pretend to when they are actually ignoring me. But I don't mind being devil's advocate every now and then, so here goes.

Maybe SE is being truly democratic! Representation by population (a popular concept in USA I'm told). 100% of the player base that represents 2-3 times as many players / subscribers as NA voted for Hippo. Weighting and all ya know.

In the US, the largest Portion of the vote with about 45% not voting at all, is people who chose not to vote for any of the laws / candidates. Where is my anarchy?

[Sickel]

Based on Camate's feedback and after thinking things over myself, the only straightforward answer seems to be that they took the winner from each region and used that in considering a vote. Thus, hippo would have "won" 2:1, although technically, scorp would have also "won" in terms of physical votes by a 20 vote margin.

Why would they set it up that way? Well, let's consider this: the Japanese player base accounts for the largest playing population in the game. I think we would all agree on that. And so if you were designing a system where you'd want to poll each region's opinions, it might be fair to think, "well hey, if the Japanese vote in proportion to their playing population, things might be biased in a Japanese favor." It might be safe to assume, then, that going by the majority of votes for each region, regardless of their player base, would give each region a fair representation.

Instead, it seems to play out quite differently. The Japanese didn't vote nearly as much as English users, while the Germans voted the least, next to the French, of course, who didn't even cast a vote. Looking at things from this perspective, yes, it's a bummer that despite having over 20 more votes than hippo, scorp was still not selected. (Not because of who was chosen, but because of the circumstances, in case that isn't already crystal clear for some of the slower readers by this point). However, I hope it might quell some of this JP favoritism rage that's starting to develop. After all, it's not the Japanese who this is targeted at, if anything, it would have been at the devs.