[dev1029] SCH Feedback

[Ophannus]

K then since RDM is designated as the main enfeebler and enhancer why does WHM and BLM get ALL of our enfeebles and enhancing spells that are actually more useful? The only thing that differentiates RDM from other mages in terms of enfeebling are merit point spells. That's the equivalent of having SCH PLD and RDM having Cure V and making Cure VI a merit point ability for WHM. RDM has higher enhancing than WHM yet WHM is more of a designated main buffer than us IN ADDITION to already being the designated main healer.

So if WHM is a 10 out of 10 healer, RDM is a 4/10 healer. If RDM is a 6/10 Enhancer, WHM is a 9/10 Enhancer, if RDM is a 10/10 Enfeebler, WHM is an 9/10 Enfeebler. Hell WHM can even nuke higher than RDM AND has higher melee skill than RDM.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Blah! Blah! Cure V can't be weakened for SCH or RDM making them better healers than any job /whm instead we might increase Cure IV's potency.... because that makes sense..

Weaken Cure V for SCH and RDM therefore it's better than IV but weaker than WHM's Cure V and VI... it really is that simple.

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Also completely fair that no job can Rival WHM or BLM but it's acceptable for WHM or BLM to rival RDM or SCH in their fields... Right!!!!!!!

Seriously are the DEV's clueless.

PS. PUP and their Cure V says Hi! or is that not a job now?

[Ophannus]

Not to mention WHM/RDM's Refresh and convert are FULL STRENGTH, but nobody who subs WHM gets Afflatus Misery or Afflatus Solace. Can you reduce the potency of Convert to be HALF strength for jobs that sub RDM since at 99, anyone can sub RDM and use 90% of all of its useful abilities(Convert,Haste,Refresh,Phalanx,Cure IV)

[Thala]

While it’s possible for other jobs to help out with curing and cast support magic, which in turn create conditions making it easier to cure and also reduce the amount of cure-related stress, the job we have designated to be the main healer is white mage. Due to this, we do not currently have any plans of allowing jobs other than white mage to use Cure V.

No no no no no no no no NO! I've had a lot of respect for a number of calls the XI team has made in the past year or two, but this is one I absolutely cannot agree with. If Cure V was the highest tier Cure spell, I'd say the point is debatable. But the advantage I have with WHM as a healer is not that I can cast Cure V, but rather that I can rapidly jump back and forth between casting Cure V and VI. If SCH and RDM were to be given Cure V, WHM would STILL be the superior healer. WHM would still have the highest tier Cure, an arsenal of Curagas, and the best means of curing debuffs. However, SCH and RDM would be more viable to fill the main healer role with Cure V. To say that WHM is the ONLY job that is allowed to be the main healer is absolutely ridiculous. Would you say that NIN can be the only evasion tank? PLD can be the only defense tank? SAM can be the only DD? BRD can be the only support? BLM can be the only magic DD? No! There are 20 jobs that realistically need to fill about 6 roles. Your stance on main healers right now comes off as extremely stubborn. A main healer is a required role in almost all non-soloable content (and the only reason any content is soloable is because it doesn't require a main healer). To essentially say "You must fill the main healer role with WHM" is the equivalent of saying "You must bring a WHM to everything", which is simply absurd.

[Tazz]

One of the main issues with not having cure V on other support healing jobs is I will cure IV a party member who is low on hp at or around the same time the WHM casts cure V or VI on the same low health party member which results in one of two scenarios.

1. My cure IV will hit first and the WHM cure VI will hit for like 300 hp recovered.
2. WHM's cure V hits first and my cure IV hits for 0 hp recovered.

This is most likely a party communication issue but at the same time its very frustrating for both the support healers and the WHM playing the main healing role.

A very similar issues happens even more often with regen spells I will cast a perpetuance'd regen IV on a party member and another healer will immediately spam cure them to full HP making the regen spell next to useless. Probably nothing that can be fixed but very frustrating.

A possible solution could be to add a cure tier thats in between 4 and 5. Thus giving the back up mages a happy solution to the need for a better cure spell without messing with the lower levels of cure III and IV spells

Another idea I had is to allow non whm's cure V but make it take full hate like the other cures, not the reduced cure III liek cure V is to whm. This would help ensure that only the WHM is cure V'ing people the majority of the time since if a RDM or SCH casts cure V they risk pulling much more hate than a lower tier cure.

The best thing I like about regen is the length of it. I can cast it and then move to debuffs or nuking while not worrying extremely about HP recovery of the party. Shortening the duration of regen's would take a lot away from the regen spells. (as recently changed on the test server)

I did read the post from Camate, I only wanted to express my ideas, feelings, and frustrations about the cure regen fiasco.

[Olor]

Why can there be 18 DD jobs and only 1 healer?

[Siiri]

Why can there be 18 DD jobs and only 1 healer?

Because all white mage does is heal? Where scholar nukes as well as black mage, and red mage has tier 4s, and both jobs have limitless mp compared to white mage.

[TimeMage]

No no no no no no no no NO! I've had a lot of respect for a number of calls the XI team has made in the past year or two, but this is one I absolutely cannot agree with. If Cure V was the highest tier Cure spell, I'd say the point is debatable. But the advantage I have with WHM as a healer is not that I can cast Cure V, but rather that I can rapidly jump back and forth between casting Cure V and VI. If SCH and RDM were to be given Cure V, WHM would STILL be the superior healer. WHM would still have the highest tier Cure, an arsenal of Curagas, and the best means of curing debuffs. However, SCH and RDM would be more viable to fill the main healer role with Cure V. To say that WHM is the ONLY job that is allowed to be the main healer is absolutely ridiculous. Would you say that NIN can be the only evasion tank? PLD can be the only defense tank? SAM can be the only DD? BRD can be the only support? BLM can be the only magic DD? No! There are 20 jobs that realistically need to fill about 6 roles. Your stance on main healers right now comes off as extremely stubborn. A main healer is a required role in almost all non-soloable content (and the only reason any content is soloable is because it doesn't require a main healer). To essentially say "You must fill the main healer role with WHM" is the equivalent of saying "You must bring a WHM to everything", which is simply absurd.

THIS. Word by word.

[Helel]

The solution of allowing healing magic and mnd to increase the amount healed by Cure IV is absolutely ridiculous. Why don't you just give RDM and SCH Cure V then...? If you're planning on increasing the amount cured by Cure IV, it would be much easier for you to just give them Cure V and keep Cure IV the same, unless of course you're planning to screw RDMs and SCHs over with some +.01 hp cured per healing magic skill.

Am I missing something here? Why can a job/WHM cure just as well as a RDM or SCH? I don't even play RDM or SCH, but this just seems blatantly retarded to me. Either give RDM and SCH Cure V, or at least allow them access to afflatus JAs.

Oh, I feel like I should also shout the obvious: Cure V is NOT what makes WHM the best healer. It's like I want to tell the devs to just calm down or something, like they're totally freaked out at the idea of giving the spell to other jobs. It's not that big of a deal...

Calm
Down.
It's going to be okay. I promise.

[Seyomeyo]

Hey dev team, I think the community would be a little more open to the idea of RDM and SCH not being viable main healers had they never been viable main healers for their entire existances up until abyssea (read, up until people started to get more and more HP while cure amounts for the above mentioned jobs did not increase. As everybody else said, it's ok to have more than one job be able to fill a specific role. There are 20 jobs in this game. I'm going to withhold judgment until I see what kind of changes come out, but as it stands right now I don't even take out my RDM or SCH for anything at all.