How about an Enfeebling Magic thread?

[saevel]

We've also gone over this, difficulty of obtainment/bad players =! impossible.

EDIT: Didn't include the HQ robe lol, that makes +90. +75 otherwise for Whm.

Beneficus BS drop, haven't seen a single WHM who will use one for the same reason I won't.
Enhancing Torque +7
Augmenting +3 Earring
Augur's/ Wow .. T4 VWNM R/EX body drop ... less then 1% drop rate...., I tried for so long that I just spent a few million and a few weeks of AH camping to make the Hyksos Robe. As some douch has raised the price to 2mil for Flame Gems don't expect to see any of these floating around. The Shell is a ultra rare drop off the Windy T3 Turtle VWNM.

Merciful Cape +5
/Olympus (Cascade for 2 less skill) FCKING SERIOUSLY! You know these don't exist in any quantity yet right, I've been after one for over a month. They'd be using a Cascade for +3

/Portent +15
/Orison+2 Duckbills +20

is what I got so far from quick search. None of them are out of reach for anyone competent either bar the Olympus since no one had found it at the time.

Neisan I know I view your intelligence rather lowly but this is an entirely new level. You attributed gear to a WHM that a dedicated RDM can't even acquire. We do know where the O.sash drops from, its a HKCNM that's bugged and usually doesn't drop a chest upon win. The recommendation of an Aughur robe is just wow ... do you even fcking play? That item basically doesn't exist, it would take months of spamming the Bastok t4 over and over again to get one, or your mule or the WAR could magically get it. K.Clubs are easier to come by the VWNM T4 bodies.

Anyhow as I've shown they have mostly the same stuff we do except +20 on one item instead of +15.

+20 Feet
+15 Legs
+7 Neck
+5 Back
+3 Earring
+3 Waist
+53 Total

Beneficus is possible, but I've never seen a WHM use one, ever. +15 would give them 68 skill tops.

I'm at +71 so far, could grab a +3 waist but it wouldn't do anything for me so I chose to use the -12% belt instead.

And before you make some lame a$$ comment, I actually did a poll of our LS WHMs about Boost-STR and the answer was basically they didn't have space to carry around a specific +enhancing macro set. They use what can easily be fit into other sets. Ontop of that, me acquiring my Hysos Robe turned into an LS event due to it's rarity and how annoying difficult it was to synth (took our head synergist five tries to get it right).

Now instead of using wiki to form an enhancing set why don't you actually go out and try it, you'll find it MUCH harder then you think. Especially those ultra rare pieces that you somehow thought would magically appear.

[saevel]

I've checked WHM/SCH with gear recieves more Enhancing than RDM.

WHM can get +99
RDM can get +80

People need to stop looking at wiki's enhancing magic list and going "hey they can get X / Y / Z", its not that simple. Actually acquiring that gear is much harder / annoying and of questionable worth. List actual obtainable gear, SE likes to troll people.

[Neisan_Quetz]

No it isn't? I'm only missing beneficus because I lost lot on last one and haven't fought it since, been working on emp weapons instead. Merc Cape isn't hard to get (mostly slightly tedius at best) nor is Portent. I have no clue what the hell your Whms are using that is taking up so much space, I could easily fill out an enhancing set on Whm and still have room left over for regular gear. Considering their boosts are AoE, they should be carrying an enhancing set, or do they run around in melee gear cause that's the only set I can't carry with Idle/PDT/MDT/Curing/Enhancing/Divine/FC/Stoneskin sets, plus usual staves/swap out obis as needed

[saevel]

No it isn't? I'm only missing beneficus because I lost lot on last one and haven't fought it since, been working on emp weapons instead. Merc Cape isn't hard to get (mostly slightly tedius at best) nor is Portent. I have no clue wth you're Whms are using that is taking up so much space, I could easily fill out an enhancing set on Whm and still have room left over for regular gear.

And as predicted fall back to the "your WHM's must suck" argument. It's a fallacious argument, it doesn't follow causality.

Portant is a semi-rare drop of Rani, not hard if you have a shell.

Merciful Cape was BS at 75, now not so much. I spent over a year trying to get one and only stopped when the Abyssea RDM cape was made.

But neither of those is impossible, no what you listed was the impossible. Talking about a fcking Augur Robe in the same sentence as Portent Pants / Merciful Cape is plain stupid. Then talking about an item you don't even know how to obtain, something I've been AH camping for over a month now and has proven to be nearly impossible to get (for now). I bet you calculate RDM's cure potency using the HQ+2 Cure +15% body don't you.

Beneficus is one of those things that WHM's like to keep in their storage bin. In theory it should be a highly sought after due to its effects on barspells, yet somehow I haven't met any WHM's who actually use it.

And before you make another lame comment about "WHM suck less", this shells WHM are insanely good. You just maybe might want to know who your insulting before you go around insulting them. WHM's just don't build enhancing magic sets, they build barspell sets which are similar but with a few item differences. Until Gain-STR there never was a reason for a WHM to even bother with a specialized set for maximizing their enhancing magic skill. Not to mention it requires them to run into AoE range to cast, something that's usually fatal on VWNM's.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I was asking how did Whm get +90 enhancing since I only counted +75, then realized they counted the body and I hadn't.

I'm going to keep saying they suck until I see evidence otherwise, and so far I'm not seeing any. I included the cascade belt which is piss easy to obtain even if you can't get Olympus, and Enhancing for people who didn't bother with Alexander.

/Facepalm at calling them "insanely good" Whms but they don't use enhancing gear/Beneficus? I wasn't aware intentionally gimping yourself made you insanely good at your job, brb been doinitwrong.


EDIT: Enhances elemental resistance spell gear comes out to all of 2 pieces not in the enhancing set/regular gear...

[saevel]

/Facepalm at calling them "insanely good" Whms but they don't use enhancing gear/Beneficus? I wasn't aware intentionally gimping yourself made you insanely good at your job, brb been doinitwrong.

Like I said, your resorting to the age old "you suck" argument. Your assuming the precedent of your argument is correct without proving it, that precedent being "good WHMs have enhancing set". You need to prove the validity of that prior to making assumptions on it being true.

Out of the 8+ years I've been in this game, I've known exactly zero WHMs with a full blown enhancing set. I've known two that came close, they were pretty hard core WHM's, one even went on to get a Mollijner. Now I have a random poster coming on a forum telling me that they all suck because they don't have a set that he does? I'm sorry but you need to quantify your arguments otherwise your just noise in the wind as far as I'm concerned.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Which gear and what's the difficulty of obtaining. Sh!t like Hyksos robe and it's HQ+2 R/EX version are exceeding rare to the point of non-existence. I've gone over this with many many WHMs, very few have enhancing sets.

Olymbus Sash = +5
Hyksos Robe = +10~11 - Can be bought so should not be removed. 4 million gil isn't hard to get anymore
Beneficus = +15
Portent Pants = +15
Orison Boots +2 = +20
Augur's Gloves = +5
Enhancing/Colossus's Torque = +7~10
Merciful Cape = +5

I calculated wrong it's only +82 but the point being WHM is NOT behind RDM in any case when it comes to enhancing. Boost and Gain with the correct gear is even, and barspells one of the only other spells effected by Enhancing Skill WHM already trumps RDM on.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Intentionally gimp is gimp, period. If they have the gear for it and aren't using it, they are intentionally gimping themselves unless they have a good reason to somehow be full on inventory (already figured out a setup that's 78/80 with everything relevant I could think of, being idle/PDT/MDT/enhancing/bars/nuking/-enmity/fast cast/stoneskin/empyrean/useful relic and AF/macc/decent Mnd set/cure potency/relevant staves). Really want to hear their excuse for not having space for beneficus.

[saevel]

Olymbus Sash = +5

Hyksos Robe = +10~11 - Can be bought so should not be removed. 4 million gil isn't hard to get anymore
Read what I wrote, I only just now got this item and I had to acquire the parts individually and have a LS member synergy it. These are incredibly rare, they require a rare drop off the Windy T3 VWNM turtle and a flame gem. It's NOT a matter of "get gil, goto AH, get item". I tried for months to no avail.

Beneficus = +15, While it exists I've never EVER seen a WHM use it.

Portent Pants = +15
Orison Boots +2 = +20
Augur's Gloves = +5
Enhancing/Colossus's Torque = +7 (do not count special day effects, that is 1/8 of the time tops).
Merciful Cape = +5

I calculated wrong it's only +82 but the point being WHM is NOT behind RDM in any case when it comes to enhancing. Boost and Gain with the correct gear is even, and barspells one of the only other spells effected by Enhancing Skill WHM already trumps RDM on.

And this assumes the WHM is /SCH anyway, most seem to be permanently attached to /BLM for Warp II or /RDM for Vert / Refresh these days.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

And this assumes the WHM is /SCH anyway, most seem to be permanently attached to /BLM for Warp II or /RDM for Vert / Refresh these days.

I don't know, I only ever see WHM/SCH on my server.