How about an Enfeebling Magic thread?

[FrankReynolds]

Only if it's the Star of David.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to a 5 pointed star.

I was just being silly. I haven't looked at one of those things in (30??) years.

Seriously though, people claiming Red Mages aren't party buffers is silly. The peg is a terrible analogy, in that anything will fit in the star shaped hole if the hole is big enough. In this case, what constitutes buffing a party is a big gray area, and red fits in it pretty damn often regardless of whether red mage is a "star" at it.

[Stylin]

I was just being silly. I haven't looked at one of those things in (30??) years.

Seriously though, people claiming Red Mages aren't party buffers is silly. The peg is a terrible analogy, in that anything will fit in the star shaped hole if the hole is big enough. In this case, what constitutes buffing a party is a big gray area, and red fits in it pretty damn often regardless of whether red mage is a "star" at it.

Ah but if the hole is so big that any peg can go in, is it really fitting?

Regen, Refresh, Haste, Protect and Shell are all we get to enhance others. This is part of the Jack of All Trades title. It can fit in that role if a specialist is not available, the same way it can be a nuker, DD, or main heal.

[FrankReynolds]

Ah but if the hole is so big that any peg can go in, is it really fitting?

Regen, Refresh, Haste, Protect and Shell are all we get to enhance others. This is part of the Jack of All Trades title. It can fit in that role if a specialist is not available, the same way it can be a nuker, DD, or main heal.

Yes, we "fit" in lots of roles. It would be nice if red mage skill set was reshaped to fit better, but for the mean time, haste, shell, refresh, protect and phalanx are all buffs that are expected to be used in a large portion of the game. Saying that the person who casts them isn't buffing the party is ass backwards.

Maybe we should tell people to stop calling 360 and ps3 game consoles. Afterall, my pc has better graphics and a larger available game catalog, so 360 and ps3 are clearly not game consoles.