How about an Enfeebling Magic thread?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Blm got the AoE enfeebles not mob related.

[Hashmalum]

BLM basically got the AoE crowd control enfeebles (Sleepga, Breakga). The lack of the -ga enfeebles for RDM has always annoyed me too, but if I had to choose between -ga enfeebles and higher tier single target enfeebles I'd go for the latter. After all, there's always /SCH.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

WHM gets AoE Heals, it's a healing specialist. BLM gets AoE nukes, it's an elemental nuke specialist.

RDM is a enhancer and enfeebling specialist so why don't we get the AoE Enhancing/Enfeebling spells ><

Not so fussed about AoE enfeebles, outside of Sleep or Break it's mostly pointless to have. Enhancing however I do want.

[Ophannus]

I just can't see why RDM was given so many self-only buffs. How does that help the party? Maybe if RDM was a stronger melee, the self buffs would make more sense. Even if barspells were able to target others but be single target, it'd be useful but they're worthless except for solo situations.

[Stylin]

I just can't see why RDM was given so many self-only buffs. How does that help the party?

RDM was never a party buffer. Saying it is goes beyond the "square peg, round hole" metaphor. This is more like trying to fit the triangle peg into the star shaped hole. Seriously now, how many times was that question answered?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I just can't see why RDM was given so many self-only buffs. How does that help the party? Maybe if RDM was a stronger melee, the self buffs would make more sense. Even if barspells were able to target others but be single target, it'd be useful but they're worthless except for solo situations.

Originally they wanted RDM to be specifically for buffing itself, that way what it lacked physically and magically it could buff itself up.... Then Avesta arrived and the buffing for RDM died straight up so other people found another job for it WHM-1

[Xtrasweettea]

We've had so many ideas for new enfeebles, but not a single lick of feedback from the developers since the manifestio as to what kinds of 'new enfeebles' we would be getting.

I agree, though they may have addressed it and have not made it public. Wishful thinking on my part.

If it would be at all possible. I'd like to get some indication as to what direction their thinking already as far as new enfeebles go. They said they wanted to add them, so maybe they have their own ideas. It would nice to get feedback on the current ideas we've had as well.

Agreed. They did a nice update to what they plan to do for PUP (which there was much rejoicing from me). I am hoping they would address new enfeebles or a view into what they wish to make or plan to make for RDM.

[FrankReynolds]

RDM was never a party buffer. Saying it is goes beyond the "square peg, round hole" metaphor. This is more like trying to fit the triangle peg into the star shaped hole. Seriously now, how many times was that question answered?

the triangle peg actually fits in the star hole. :P

[Hyrist]

Only if it's the Star of David.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to a 5 pointed star.

[FrankReynolds]

Only if it's the Star of David.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to a 5 pointed star.

I was just being silly. I haven't looked at one of those things in (30??) years.

Seriously though, people claiming Red Mages aren't party buffers is silly. The peg is a terrible analogy, in that anything will fit in the star shaped hole if the hole is big enough. In this case, what constitutes buffing a party is a big gray area, and red fits in it pretty damn often regardless of whether red mage is a "star" at it.