How about an Enfeebling Magic thread?

[Hashmalum]

Unless they could be cast on others, defensive (spike-type) enfeebles would just be another 'toy' spell that wouldn't really help us. Even then they'd face the problem of not stacking with Reprisal, leading to problems with using them with a PLD tank. I'm not really in favor of the idea, it's not terrible but I think that more straightforward enfeebles are better.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Unless they could be cast on others, defensive (spike-type) enfeebles would just be another 'toy' spell that wouldn't really help us. Even then they'd face the problem of not stacking with Reprisal, leading to problems with using them with a PLD tank. I'm not really in favor of the idea, it's not terrible but I think that more straightforward enfeebles are better.

RDM should get no more party enhancing spells until they either get a 5 minute ability to copy their buffs to the party or AoE buffs.

[Ophannus]

WHM gets AoE Heals, it's a healing specialist. BLM gets AoE nukes, it's an elemental nuke specialist.

RDM is a enhancer and enfeebling specialist so why don't we get the AoE Enhancing/Enfeebling spells ><

[Stylin]

WHM gets AoE Heals, it's a healing specialist. BLM gets AoE nukes, it's an elemental nuke specialist.

RDM is a enhancer and enfeebling specialist so why don't we get the AoE Enhancing/Enfeebling spells ><

Diaga is apparently super broken to have.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

WHM gets AoE Heals, it's a healing specialist. BLM gets AoE nukes, it's an elemental nuke specialist.

RDM is a enhancer and enfeebling specialist so why don't we get the AoE Enhancing/Enfeebling spells ><

Not so fussed about AoE enfeebles, outside of Sleep or Break it's mostly pointless to have. Enhancing however I do want.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Blm got the AoE enfeebles not mob related.

[Hashmalum]

BLM basically got the AoE crowd control enfeebles (Sleepga, Breakga). The lack of the -ga enfeebles for RDM has always annoyed me too, but if I had to choose between -ga enfeebles and higher tier single target enfeebles I'd go for the latter. After all, there's always /SCH.

[Ophannus]

I just can't see why RDM was given so many self-only buffs. How does that help the party? Maybe if RDM was a stronger melee, the self buffs would make more sense. Even if barspells were able to target others but be single target, it'd be useful but they're worthless except for solo situations.

[Stylin]

I just can't see why RDM was given so many self-only buffs. How does that help the party?

RDM was never a party buffer. Saying it is goes beyond the "square peg, round hole" metaphor. This is more like trying to fit the triangle peg into the star shaped hole. Seriously now, how many times was that question answered?

[FrankReynolds]

RDM was never a party buffer. Saying it is goes beyond the "square peg, round hole" metaphor. This is more like trying to fit the triangle peg into the star shaped hole. Seriously now, how many times was that question answered?

the triangle peg actually fits in the star hole. :P