broken dreamlands dynamis!

[Nynja]

That Hippo was at 100% when I claimed it...and that happened once. As you said, "there were other unclaimed mobs around", so whats the big deal? Dont agitate me buddy. As you said, I roll 3 chars deep "holding 3 or more monsters" (which is actually impossible to hold more than 3, since a party of 3 cant claim 4 mobs), you cant mpk me, you try...I diaga on vermy, she dies, and my melee team is still in full force, I lose no time at all. However, you trying to fight 2 mobs at once will constantly go yellow. If bsts werent busy running around trying to claim secondary mobs while yuly's soloing something without any help and have then flip between purple and yellow, thus meaning things wont get stolen, I wouldnt have to run around pre-claiming mobs either like its dragons fn aery.

As far as no risk of losing them, any mob that goes yellow is at risk of being taken, so I take precautions to make sure they dont go yellow longer than necessary. You dont want your mobs stolen, or vulched, dont fight 2 at once.

[Alderin]

That Hippo was at 100% when I claimed it... etc etc

I can tell you are the kind of guy that annoys a solo'er while they are minding their own business off in a corner killing a couple of mobs here and there while you are pulling the zone. You then run over and try and waste time claiming a mob that goes yellow for a split second - and is at 25% health trying to pull enough hate for it to turn red - just so you can annoy that innocent solo'er.

Then when the solo'er decides to give you a taste of your own medicine - you go Q.Q to everyone and call him a thief.

The above mentality I explained is pathetic. Why should a triple boxer have more rights at holding claim on multiple mobs then a solo'er?

If you are going to start trying to hate steal a yellow mob that is nearly dead - and already proc'd, you truly are a low life. If I recall correctly FFXI is meant to be a game where you team up - not PvP. Go be a lamer on WoW. Have no room for that mentality in this game.



In regards to the other posts in this thread - no Dynamis is not broken. Well it is if you consider being able to farm a stupidly large amount of currency solo - on top of farming a full relic in a very short time - then yes it is broken.

Relics used to take time - in either farming gil, linkshell reputation, or farming currency with friends. That time varies of course but lets just say it was a huge time sink to make a relic. Now it is not. So yes, it is indeed broken in comparison to the olden days.

It's more fun no doubt though. Still don't understand why people are crying over SE nerfing WS procs as it puts everyone on a more level playing field then it was. The solo'ers who aren't able to pull the whole zone aren't getting over camped by a mass groups of cleavers (which happened upon dreamlands release).

No currency should not be a walk in the park. It certainly is more-so then it used to be. I believe it as a good level.

[Nynja]

The above mentality I explained is pathetic. Why should a triple boxer have more rights at holding claim on multiple mobs then a solo'er?

Because I have the resources to keep my 2-3 mobs claimed...as GM's have said, "yellow is fair game".

And do you want to know what happened, since you're calling me "pathetic"? the solo bst proced a mob, and went to claim another, as did my dnc proc one and went to claim another while my thf killed the previous one. A Hippo just spawned and was sitting idle, bst went to attempt to claim at the same time I did because one character cant claim two mobs, stayed yellow, and I ultimately took claim. There was no vulching a mob at 10%, there was no jacking a proc'd mob at 75%. I took a mob that was at 100%, when as he said, there were others up in the area.


So, as I've said, if you want to alleviate this war of stolen mobs, change it so pets cant claim a mob if the master is engaged to something else (this would apply to any pet job). The mechanics are allready in the game, as I posted here or in that other thread, if I'm engaged to a mob (I dont even have to be the last action on it) and I /ra another target, it wont claim. Dont believe me, feel free to try it out.

[Alderin]

Because I have the resources to keep my 2-3 mobs claimed...as GM's have said, "yellow is fair game".

I do not deny that yellow is fair game. Upon a wipe, or w/e - sure go ahead and claim.. Game mechanics state that you can claim yellow mobs. Official game rules state that you can claim yellow mobs. General community etiquette and mentality believes it is simply rude and quite frowned upon (by most reasonable people).

If a solo'er is fighting 2 mobs and isn't about to wipe - walk the extra 10 steps and claim a new mob.

And do you want to know what happened, since you're calling me "pathetic"? etc...

This forum isn't an emo blog for you and your buddy to sort out your differences at what happened in-game. To be honest I doubt anyone gives a rats.

However for the point of opinion on this one I actually did read your sob story. You both went after the same mob, one claimed, the other didn't. Move on with your lives and go get a new mob. Not like mobs are going to run out.. My previous post stands as is though.

[Nynja]

If a solo'er is fighting 2 mobs and isn't about to wipe - walk the extra 10 steps and claim a new mob.

Or I can vulch a kill from someone who kills painfully slow, get a free 1-4 currency, and then walk to 10 steps and claim a new mob.

But, to enterain you, what should I do if no mobs are up? Wait around jerking it? Time is money, and every second I spend in dynamis watchin a bst pingpong 2 mobs from claimed>unclaimed and not fighting anything is lost currency.

To be honest I doubt anyone gives a rats.

Then scroll past and dont read it...difficult concept I know.

[Alderin]

Or I can vulch a kill from someone who kills painfully slow, get a free 1-4 currency, and then walk to 10 steps and claim a new mob.

But, to enterain you, what should I do if no mobs are up? Wait around jerking it? Time is money, and every second I spend in dynamis watchin a bst pingpong 2 mobs from claimed>unclaimed and not fighting anything is lost currency.


Then scroll past and dont read it...difficult concept I know.

Right, so you are one of those people with the mentality of a greedy 2 year old like the example I posted above.

If no mobs are up - you are at the wrong camp. Besides you said it yourself - watching him ping pong 2 mobs is wasting your time. Go find another one. Not hard to walk a few more steps. Repops are fast, and there are plenty. If you find yourself running out of mobs due to some BST that is "killing painfully slow" then you are definitely at the wrong camp.

On that note, i'm going to bed. Enjoy your bickering.

[Nynja]

If no mobs are up - you are at the wrong camp.

Valkurm, JA time...Sabotenders, Hippogryphs or Sheep. Sabotenders presumably use 10k needles, so LOL, Sheep spam lame aoe sleep (which may waste up to 90 seconds of the 24 minutes I have of bronze JA time if the wrong char gets hit with it) and aoe paralyze, and aoe slow which is a waste of TP to remove...which leaves hippogryphs.

[Louispv]

That Hippo was at 100% when I claimed it...and that happened once.

No it happened every 5 minutes for 2 days. Your little DNC mule followed me around and pulled enemies off me. Even enemies half dead and procced. Even on the manticores and treants which are right next to each other. There are 20 of each of them, you'd need a whole alliance to out-kill the repop rate. There are 5 unclaimed to one side of me and 4 on the other side, and you're already fighting 4 of them yourself, and you still steal one of the 2 I'm fighting. Because you're an asshole.

And that was my reward for trying to help you. My reward for telling you that you can proc a lot faster with Violent/desperate flourish than with animated because they take less finishing moves and have a shorter recast. You decide to screw me over at every opportunity.

As you said, "there were other unclaimed mobs around", so whats the big deal? Dont agitate me buddy. As you said, I roll 3 chars deep "holding 3 or more monsters" (which is actually impossible to hold more than 3, since a party of 3 cant claim 4 mobs), you cant mpk me, you try...I diaga on vermy, she dies, and my melee team is still in full force, I lose no time at all. However, you trying to fight 2 mobs at once will constantly go yellow. If bsts werent busy running around trying to claim secondary mobs while yuly's soloing something without any help and have then flip between purple and yellow, thus meaning things wont get stolen, I wouldnt have to run around pre-claiming mobs either like its dragons fn aery.

Or you can switch camps. You have a healer, you can easily fight the sheep and just wake up your THF and DNC from sleep. Or you know... go to the other fucking hippogryphs. The ones there are no soloers at because a link would kill them? A link you could just sleep? The EM hippogryphs you wouldn't need to face away from and try to proc without damaging them for fear of killing them without a trigger? The ones that would die faster because your group has 3 fucking characters.

And every time I see you you're fighting 4-5 monsters. And I don't steal any, because I'm not an asshole.

As far as no risk of losing them, any mob that goes yellow is at risk of being taken, so I take precautions to make sure they dont go yellow longer than necessary. You dont want your mobs stolen, or vulched, dont fight 2 at once.

Only from assholes. Most people go fight one of the many unclaimed enemies. Assholes steal from each other. Assholes try to camp on top of 3 soloers and 2 groups of duoers, and fight like it's fafnir every 5 minutes. Stop being an asshole.

[Nynja]

Because you're an asshole.
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And that was my reward for trying to help you. My reward for telling you that you can proc a lot faster with Violent/desperate flourish than with animated because they take less finishing moves and have a shorter recast. You decide to screw me over at every opportunity.
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And I don't steal any, because I'm not an asshole.
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Only from assholes. Most people go fight one of the many unclaimed enemies. Assholes steal from each other. Assholes try to camp on top of 3 soloers and 2 groups of duoers, and fight like it's fafnir every 5 minutes. Stop being an asshole.

So...what does that make you considering a friend of mine told me you jacked their mobs in dynamis? A hypocritical asshole? lol

btw, you cant proc on stunned mobs (and violent flourish on dnc main lasts like 4-6 seconds meaning I sit on steps timer), and it seems that once you land desperate flourish and the grav is on, you cant use that anymore till grav wears off.

[Louispv]

So...what does that make you considering a friend of mine told me you jacked their mobs in dynamis? A hypocritical asshole? lol

Nothing, since your friend is lying. Unless your friend is the asshole who keeps using flee to pull every hippogryph in the zone at the same time and has his mage mule sleepga them. That might be stealing, but screw that guy.

btw, you cant proc on stunned mobs (and violent flourish on dnc main lasts like 4-6 seconds meaning I sit on steps timer),

Yes you can, I do it all the time. Whenever I've got 5 finishing moves I use violent-> step so I don't waste them or my tp. This isn't abyssea, you can proc during ws's, spells, and 2 hours, too. EDIT: And when they're terrorized.

and it seems that once you land desperate flourish and the grav is on, you cant use that anymore till grav wears off.

I also doubt this, but you have other flourishes for then.

Seriously, how terrible are you if you're dying to EM monsters with 2 of the best tank jobs in the game and a dedicated healer? BST can solo them, just much much slower and with death/wait on call beast recast on links.

You're getting hit with 700 damage hoof volleys? How? It's 1 hit, doesn't bypass shadows and hits for much less damage than that on me. Are you wearing damage taken+ stuff? Seriously, I'm pretty sure you tried to suck just to prove your point, if you didn't just make those numbers up entirely.

EDIT: 63 kills in 2 hours with 3 people on DC-T's. That's almost 2 minutes per kill. That's 2003 bad.