[dev1029] Warrior

[Monchat]

I did, and I did. SAM is about equal, still not as good in my experience. The SAM-WAR relationship seems reversed to 75. SAM used to be slightly ahead, now WAR seems slightly ahead.

what? Sam was a terrible DD at 75 except 2 situation: zerg ( polearm) amd HNM. WAR and mnks completly own it everywhere else ( at least +25% dmg), MNK/WAR and WAR/SAM being about equal. Your averge noob thought SAM was good because getting TP w/o meleeing is so awsome!! Oh wait, its not. The very reason SAM was good on HNM was the reason it was bad on non-HNM ( capped attack on WS). Considering relic was the only good great katana, and SAM were compelled to wield a polearm ( -50 acc -50 att), I'd say SAM was a pure failure except for the two above situations.

SAM shits on WAR, period.

Unless you base FFXI off Abyssea which no one should.

You should explain with math what made SAM awsome. Unless you mean relic SAM shits over ukon war ( lolz). They sure did ungimp it. I think its just as bad as before honestly ( i.e avergae DD). I don't see how it can come close to MNK and WAR outiside abyssea. Go ahead please.

[Arcon]

what? Sam was a terrible DD at 75 except 2 situation: zerg ( polearm) amd HNM. [..] MNK/WAR and WAR/SAM being about equal.

I have severely different numbers, for both of those claims. SAM being an outstanding DD for almost any situation, except for zerg (Polearm?), where it was just about average. My WAR outdid any SAM in the game on any zerg I ever attempted, and by a nice margin too (including two almost perfectly geared relic SAM). In other situations, I couldn't get in the 80% range of them, not in HNM, Dyna or merit parties.

MNK, on the other hand, could never hold a candle to me, although I never compared to a Spharai MNK (then again, I didn't have a Bravura either). I did have three exceptionally well-geared MNK to compete with though, and while they could sometimes come close to me, they never beat me in damage.

I agree that the average SAM was shitty, but that's just because the average player was shitty. And since SAM was the bandwagon job, everyone wanted to get in on it. Hence, the majority of SAM sucked. It doesn't mean the job sucked, it didn't then and it doesn't now. But regardless of SAM's standing, WAR is overpowered, both inside and outside of Abyssea. Most jobs are, WAR more than others.