You didn't need to write nearly this much to convey what you wanted. Anyways, here goes.

Quote Originally Posted by Theytak View Post
The problem that everyone advocating adding free relics/mythics/empies to the test server are missing, and that a good part of alha's point is based on, is that the test server as SE has implemented it actually works perfectly fine for testing new content prior to it going live, to find bugs/kinks, find out what drops from what, etc. The reason it works is because the people who use it primarily are all individuals who actually know how to test shit and have the patience required to do so.
First of all, you have no idea what they are looking at, how well it's working for them or how well the people using it are suited for the job, because they don't report to you. All this stuff you are stating as fact is actually just how you believe it should be happening. You don't really have anything to back it other than your opinion. FYI bugs/kinks in relics/mythics/emyrians are equally important as bugs with any other item. SE doesn't ignore them just because you don't think they should care.

The test server isn't designed to hold a massive number of people like a regular, full server.
Again, your opinion stated as fact. Unless you work for SE, I call BS on you knowing anything about the design of the test server. At no point has SE stated: "We have no control over how many people log into the test server at once", so this isn't even a real issue. You just invented it.

If suddenly, everyone and their mother could access free relics/mythics/empies, the limited number of slots on the test server would get hit by a rush of inane BNS melees who want to play with x/y/z relic/mythic/empy for 15 minutes and then never log on the test server again, thus wasting their slot and lowering the number of productive testers on the server, further exacerbating the only real issue the test server has, a lack of people who know what they're doing.
Are you a professional game tester? somehow I doubt it. Matter of fact I don't believe you even know exactly what they are testing. Did it ever occur to you that they might actually want people to have fun while testing? Those "inane BNS melees" pay their monthly fees just like you, and they make up a much larger portion of the population than opinionated forum posters. SE has never said that you need to know what your doing in order to fulfill their testing needs. They have paid professional testers for that. They don't have a massive staff of "inane BNS melees", which may be why they opened a test server.

In your theory, the server is overloaded for 15 minutes, and then there is no problem again. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

Yea sure, adding free toys will increase the number of PEOPLE, but it won't increase the number of testers, because the people who have the patience to test and the competency to understand what they're testing are few and far between in the playerbase.
So basically, you think your smarter / more important than allllll the other players, and thus should get to decide who is worthy of testing....... great.

Basically, the logic here isn't that what you guys want is necessarily a bad idea in and of itself, but rather the repercussions it will bring. Due to the fact that only about 5~10% of the playerbase will ever actually own a finished relic/mythic/empy, they are a desirable item people want to play with. Thus, while you want this:

Add Them: Those who can test but don't have the weapon on live are able to test them for possible new effects in one last update before they launch, after which they won't likely ever receive any more changes

but what you'll get is this:

Add them: number of slots on the test server ~500; ~50 are occupied by individuals who actively test new material in a proper manner, knowing what they're doing and how to do it, ~450 are occupied by Joe-Shmoe-DomaruSam who log in once or twice to play with a relic/mythic/empy and then never log in again but stay on the test server, preventing any new testers who actually know how to test from getting in.
SE can add / remove people from the test server at will. Just admit that you don't like to share your toys like a grown up.

Additionally, THE TEST SERVER DOES NOT EXIST SO THAT YOU CAN FIND OUT IF GETTING X/Y/Z RELIC/MYTHIC/EMPY WEAPON IS WORTH THE EFFORT TO GET/UPGRADE. Any and all arguments attempting to use that as their purpose hold absolutely no water in this discussion, because SE made it pretty clear that the purpose of the test server is to test new content and make sure it all works as intended, and nothing more.
first you spout this ^ nonsense as if you know what they want. FYI just because they want us to test something doesn't mean they don't want us to do anything else. They could severely limit what we can do if they didn't want us to mess around on there. It's a game.

The whole reason they made it is their extensive history of breaking all sorts of utterly unrelated crap almost every version update.
But apparently relics / mythics / empyrians are so powerful that they are immune to SE coding mistakes. Is that an aftermath effect? will it be on all of them? or just some? This will require more testing to be sure its working as intended. Better put them on the test server ASAP.

If you can't find any information about the weapon you want to upgrade, find someone who has it. FFXIAH makes that pretty easy. If you can't find someone who has it, that means no one has bitten the bullet to be the "first" person to get it (I say "first" because while technically, every weapon has now been made, several of them have no information due to the one~two people who made them not being the "test shit and give people answers" type of individual). If you want to know about claustrum (first example that popped into my head after reading the thread), but can't find anyone who has one, then you're left with the option to either stop caring (which would be wise, because lolclaustrum), or to suck it up and upgrade the damn thing yourself.
Says you, but you don't make the game.

If SE were to simply say: "Yes, we're adding new/changing/increasing the hidden effects of relic/mythic/empy weapons from level 95 to level 99" or "No, we are not adding new/changing/increasing the hidden effects of relic/mythic/empy weapons from level 95 to level 99" then this entire discussion would become moot. If they say they are, then they're shit they want us to test. If they say they aren't, then there's nothing to test.
See your above statement. SE doesn't even need to change anything intentionally for it to get messed up. So whether or not they make that statement is irrelevant.

Next time try to be more concise. Giant posts like that just come off as temper tantrums.