Relics/Mythics/Empy?

[Karbuncle]

Perhaps you're not clear on this but the test server is for bug testing not trying out which gear setup is best.

A Ribbon got MND+10 one update, So isn't it slightly possible Empyrean weapons could be botched in a way that they don't get their full stat bonus? Or Relics Aftermath not working properly? Or Aftermath duration not working properly with TP%?

For instance, Relic weapons stats are working in the offhand, Which may be a mistake/Bug, as they haven't until. Its equally possible its a new feature, But we wouldn't of known this without relic holders telling us.

Without those weapons in the hands of the right people, This kind of information can easily be overlooked.

For the record, Nowhere did i mention using Relics as a means to determine best armor Sets, what i said was, and forgive me for paraphrasing, "To test if Relic Weapons have new hidden effects, or new bonuses". My reasoning was two fold. 1) Learning what new upgrades we get for Relics and 2) Knowledge for future relic holders.

I while i won't pretend Bug testing is what i had in mind in my initial reasoning. Test server is suppose to be there for us to crash-test new content and scout for possible bugs before the release. Not every bug is related to new content.

Avatars/Pets Getting Sambas - Not Related to the Update that happened then.
Ribbon with +10 MND - What?
There are literally hundreds of examples of shit getting broken that no way relates to the content of an Update. How can we properly test each and every contingencies without the proper tools?

my main Point being, Relics/Emp/Mythics could also break in some way, and everyone being able to access them = More chance of catching these bugs. So while not part of my initial reasoning, Is still a valid point that even you should be able to agree with.

Relics and What have you are just as susceptible to bugs as the rest of the game, and being able to those weapons in the proper hands just helps find them that much quicker if they exist.

[Alhanelem]

my main Point being, Relics/Emp/Mythics could also break in some way

My main point - which you seem to be missing/ignoring - being that there are plenty of relic holders who can check this, we don't need the server to give them out for free to everyone to play with.

If you need any old weapon for a job you don't normally play, the moogle already gives out walk of echoes +2 weapons, which have no special attributes other than a weapon skill. That should be more than sufficient to test whatever you need to test.

[FrankReynolds]

They should give them out for testing just like any other weapon / gear / item in the game. They are no different than any other item in the game in regards to need for testing and chances of botched programming.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Having them available on the test server would rock. I could then see for myself which is better for what job, etc, and then be able to make an informed decision as to which one i'd make for said job(s).

Also, it might entice people to grind out a super weapon that they might have not wanted to do orginally and therefore keep them playing longer.

[Unleashhell]

My main point - which you seem to be missing/ignoring - being that there are plenty of relic holders who can check this, we don't need the server to give them out for free to everyone to play with.

If you need any old weapon for a job you don't normally play, the moogle already gives out walk of echoes +2 weapons, which have no special attributes other than a weapon skill. That should be more than sufficient to test whatever you need to test.

So tell me, why does the moggle give out WoE weapons? Whats the point? If someone doesn't have an empyrean weapon normally why would they need the WoE weapon? Oh thats right, for testing... But why give players mythics and relics, they don't need testing I guess.

[Alhanelem]

So tell me, why does the moggle give out WoE weapons?

Because these are really basic weapons (beyond the weapon skill) and there is basically no economy on the test server. If you need a weapon for a job you don't normally play, what are you supposed to use? They're not being given to you because THEY need testing (they don't, there are no new trials for them that I know of, and thus no new features that I'm aware of), they're giving them to you so you can test other things. These weapons suit all testing purposes just fine. You don't need a relic. You don't need a mythic. You don't need an empyrean. You just need a weapon.

Again, why do you need to "test" these weapons if you don't have one yourself? The very people who go after these weapons are mostly the people most able to conduct proper testing anyway. Just grab one of the weapons available to you and use that.

[FrankReynolds]

I need to test them to see if they are worth the 1500 plates. Why do you care? Why do you need me to not test them?

[Karbuncle]

My main point - which you seem to be missing/ignoring - being that there are plenty of relic holders who can check this, we don't need the server to give them out for free to everyone to play with.

Name 1 Relic holder that owns a Claustrum that you know personally visits forums and the Test Server frequently. Heck, Name 1 Person with each Mythic that you know visits forums and frequently posts in regards to them and posts on these forums/Plays the test server.

I'm aware this is impossible for you to do. Because its to make a point. Yes, We may be able to easily get information on Mandau, Amano, Etc, But the rarer relics, and Rarer Mythics will be harder to get information on.

Yes, There are some relic holders with some relics, and same for mythics. But not all of them.

And what Frank said. Though I don't know why I'm trying to argue.

[Raksha]

In the last census wasn't it revealed that across all servers no one had created the BST mythic? And only one person had created the SCH mythic?

I'm sure that one guy/gal, who I notice now probably stopped playing because his highest lvl jobs are still lvl 90, is going to get back to us on whether or not the SCH mythic is working as intended.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Someone made Aymur shortly after the Census iirc. I was actually unaware someone actually went through the trouble of making Sch mythic tbh, I glazed right past that part of the census.