Relics/Mythics/Empy?

[Greatguardian]

There aren't any.

Holy shit, lol.

Relics have always had hidden effects (Hi OTD, whose rate changed at the 95 level). Relic WS damage boost (25%) and Mythic WS damage boost (15%) were also hidden effects.

Man, I'm sure glad we didn't have people around to figure out those non-existent hidden effects.

[Unleashhell]

Relic weapon holders have just as much right to know about the weapon updates as anyone else testing any other content. Testing in any form is what the "Test Server" is for, regardless what testing that may be.

And Alhanelem.... just.... LOL...Thats all I can say.

[Alhanelem]

Holy shit, lol.

Relics have always had hidden effects (Hi OTD, whose rate changed at the 95 level). Relic WS damage boost (25%) and Mythic WS damage boost (15%) were also hidden effects.

Man, I'm sure glad we didn't have people around to figure out those non-existent hidden effects.

Comment partially recinded because I didn't know the hidden effects changed. However, Everyday people who don't have relics don't need to test this. There are enough people who do have relics to do this testing. They want people to test new content, not play with toys with no real interest in contributing.

I don't know what's so funny or why you're railing me so hard. When I said "there aren't any," I meant "there aren't any new ones."

[Unleashhell]

That still makes no sense... I'm not on the test server atm but say for instance they added Relic+2 Armor for people to test and make sure they enhance (what I'm assuming is the Tier 3 merit abilities) that is on the armor. You all would be testing if those abilities worked as intended right? Why cant someone who doesnt have a mythic, relic or Empyrean test out a level 99 weapon. you never know if someone will come across something that is NOT as intended.

You shouldn't have to own a relic, mythic, or empyrean to test that they are working correctly. What if an adjustment to hidden effect on relics was somehow gimped? Or even well overpowered? Or maybe even it the weapon skill doesn't work after one of the new abilities they add from relic+2? Look what happened with Divine Emblem. Until its tested on the test server you wont know until the next update. You should be able to test all aspects.

[Nynja]

Comment partially recinded because I didn't know the hidden effects changed.

Implying that you didnt know the hidden effects changed means that you were aware of any hidden effects to begin with. So why are you saying "no, there were no hidden effects, nope none"?

[Alhanelem]

that you were aware of any hidden effects to begin with.

I am fully aware of the hidden effects.I meant there aren't any NEW ones, meant that there is nothing to test. Which is not accurate given what was said, but that was my meaning at the time. Take a look at the statement Iquoted where I said that (this is a quote I responded to, it's not a quote of myself):

'Because the hidden effects and upgrades to those weapons are new content ^^?

The reason I said it like I did is because it's not new content. Those hidden effects always existed, and SE hasn't said or suggested that there will be new hidden effects- which only ended up being half true, because the existing hidden effects were increased.

I know all the relic weapons have a hidden occasionally deals more damage (it's not triple on all, someare 2.5 x) and that the weapon skills have aftermath-like effects. That's nothing new to me.

My question still stands- who other than people who already hold or are about to hold a relic needs to test this? And said relic holders obviously don't need to have relics given to them to test with. I just think making the test server more like a playground might attract people to it, but for the wrong reasons.

[Kitkat]

Well, saying it isn't new content is technically wrong. It is updated content on existing weapons. These weapons have gone through bonus enhancements via lvl 90 and 95 in hidden respects. Some feel these still aren't up to par and would like the chance to test it before it goes live to give feedback on that aspect of the content.

Personally I would rather see an option that would let current relic holders test the content by simply trading their weapon to the GM moogle and obtaining the end result rather than having to do the trail (since it is sounding like it won't be a "quick and done" thing this time). This way feed-back can be mentioned that might sway the final results a little more.

Others have good points to this too. It has happened before where something done under certain circumstances broke something else. It isn't outlandish that added "enhances X effect" might change or even break certain mechanics or that new merit adjustments might have an unexpected effect coupled with add effects. Unlikely, but not impossible.

[SNK]

What hidden effects? there aren't any.

There aren't any.

Ok for awhile you've been pretty smart about a lot of stuff you posted but you can't be serious with this comment.

[Atomic_Skull]

I don't know.

Knowledge for knowledge's sake. Plus, It helps more than "people who already have them", Because it could influence Mr.Smith into getting XX Relic over XX Relic because it was discovered XX Relic has XX Effect at 99, and so forth.

Knowledge of Relic hidden effects helps more than just people who are directly in possession of the item, it helps those looking to get the item and bothering to read up on their investments!

For instance, 95 Mandau and many other relics get an increase to their ODD/OTD proc, Which might influence a person to go for Mandau over Thwast. So forth.

Perhaps you're not clear on this but the test server is for bug testing not trying out which gear setup is best.

Personally I would rather see an option that would let current relic holders test the content by simply trading their weapon to the GM moogle and obtaining the end result rather than having to do the trail (since it is sounding like it won't be a "quick and done" thing this time).

Why not just have the GM Moogle dispense the trial items for 95->99? That way they could test the upgrade trial and the resulting weapon.

[Alhanelem]

Ok for awhile you've been pretty smart about a lot of stuff you posted but you can't be serious with this comment.

It is misinterpretation/wording it badly.