Ninja 2HR... Why isn't it changed yet?

[Tamoa]

@Cecil:

It's extremely useful in those lowman situations where shit hits the fan and the nin goes down, there's no form of backup tank and the mob is going for the mages. Because you know, that can actually happen.

Rng 2hr = useless
Drk 2hr = useless
Thf 2hr = useless
Drg 2hr = meh
Pld 2hr = meh again, would be better if it negated ALL damage
Mnk 2hr = not always as useful or powerful as people like to think
War 2hr = close enough to useless in abyssea

[Dfoley]

@Cecil:

It's extremely useful in those lowman situations where shit hits the fan and the nin goes down, there's no form of backup tank and the mob is going for the mages. Because you know, that can actually happen.

Rng 2hr = useless
Drk 2hr = useless
Thf 2hr = useless
Drg 2hr = meh
Pld 2hr = meh again, would be better if it negated ALL damage
Mnk 2hr = not always as useful or powerful as people like to think
War 2hr = close enough to useless in abyssea

As a pup and mnk I gotta say....

• Mnk 2 hr is useless if you have bard haste + whm its gonna add maybe 4% haste to you
• Pup called, its 2hr is so hurt it was left off the list and its worse than 80% of the jobs you listed.
• THF and PLD you can atleast see a difference
• WAR 2 hr is far from useless. Its used every time you fell cleave...

All in all, i feel the OP doesn't understand how useful their 2 hr is compared to other jobs and frankly from the reading of this thread I get the strong impression that they aren't even that good at their job (read as: They had no clue how the 2hr is supposed to be used.) It might just be the elite-trollness of his postings, but frankly when I see that all i can picture is some 12 year in their moms basement rageing over how a game isn't fair because they cant use game genie.

That being said, adding an innate reraise to it wouldnt be over powered.



/tosses a "Troll Carrot"

[Tamoa]

As a pup and mnk I gotta say....

• Mnk 2 hr is useless if you have bard haste + whm its gonna add maybe 4% haste to you
• Pup called, its 2hr is so hurt it was left off the list and its worse than 80% of the jobs you listed.
• THF and PLD you can atleast see a difference
• WAR 2 hr is far from useless. Its used every time you fell cleave...

All in all, i feel the OP doesn't understand how useful their 2 hr is compared to other jobs and frankly from the reading of this thread I get the strong impression that they aren't even that good at their job (read as: They had no clue how the 2hr is supposed to be used.) It might just be the elite-trollness of his postings, but frankly when I see that all i can picture is some 12 year in their moms basement rageing over how a game isn't fair because they cant use game genie.

That being said, adding an innate reraise to it wouldnt be over powered.



/tosses a "Troll Carrot"

My pup is lvl 1, I don't even know what pup 2hr does lol. ; ;

And yes, that's what I meant when I said mnk 2hr isn't always as powerful as people might think.

Thf and pld 2hr is less useful than Mijin Gakure in a party/alliance.

And you're right about war 2hr, I totally didn't think of FC, probably because I never do it myself due to my shitty pc. I lag out if I have too many mobs beating on me at once. But in an oh shit moment in a party/alliance, a war's 2hr isn't going to make a damn bit of difference.

[Greatguardian]

All I'm gathering from your [Anubis] posts are the following:

1) You don't know how these forums work. The Community Team doesn't respond to threads like yours. Ever.

2) When you post a thread, you have to deal with anyone who wants to post in it posting. Don't like it? Go back to the flaming cesspool that is FFXIAH. We won't miss you.

3) You are so fracking Beta, it's hilarious. You are trying way too hard, bro.

4) You must play with absolutely terrible players if the death of a single Ninja means everyone else is dead and weakened by the time you RR, Mijin, and RR again. Nothing is that flimsy.

[Soranika]

Seeing this completely in action, Mijin Gakure is usually used as a death warp without exp lost or a very VERY quick way to remove weakness. In truth, A LOT of two hour abilities are without any real combat usage, but not without situational purpose. In short, deal with it.

Having a mangled cock skin waving contest of who's a better nin isn't going to help your cause if you're unwilling to accept any answer that is not what you want to hear.

[Yukichibi]

Maybe they could reverse damage formula, the less HP you have, the better the damage, so when you ll die anyway you can sacrifice yourself for "good" (at least not crappy) damage, or they can make migawari prevent you from dying. (it's not me that explosed, it's the log, i swear).

There are a lot "not as useful" 2h hours, and @Tamoa, invincible is useless if you don't have the hate, i would prefer a 30 seconds stickonmedamnmob than invincible to all damage, it would be very useful for zerg, all DD could go all out for 30 seconds. (maybe that's why SE didn't implemented it yet XD).

[Anubis]

@Cecil:

It's extremely useful in those lowman situations where shit hits the fan and the nin goes down, there's no form of backup tank and the mob is going for the mages. Because you know, that can actually happen.

Rng 2hr = useless
Drk 2hr = useless
Thf 2hr = useless
Drg 2hr = meh
Pld 2hr = meh again, would be better if it negated ALL damage
Mnk 2hr = not always as useful or powerful as people like to think
War 2hr = close enough to useless in abyssea

Indeed, that my inital post was really to inquire to the dev about what their opinions on MG. If this is what they expected it to be. Then once we got a reply we would go ahead and point out all of the other 2hr's and how they are in the same manner as nin. Then would go ahead and ask the community how to improve MG and the other 2hr's.

Seeing this completely in action, Mijin Gakure is usually used as a death warp without exp lost or a very VERY quick way to remove weakness. In truth, A LOT of two hour abilities are without any real combat usage, but not without situational purpose. In short, deal with it.

Having a mangled cock skin waving contest of who's a better nin isn't going to help your cause if you're unwilling to accept any answer that is not what you want to hear.

I agree, every other jobs has the same feature as ninja in theory. In the current game people can always HP to remove weakness. Getting back to a monster and its camp isn't much of task like it once was, hence that is why ninja's 2hr is USELESS its just an easy means saving few cruor's? or exp. (which is joke now in the game to obtain)

Maybe they could reverse damage formula, the less HP you have, the better the damage, so when you ll die anyway you can sacrifice yourself for "good" (at least not crappy) damage, or they can make migawari prevent you from dying. (it's not me that explosed, it's the log, i swear).

There are a lot "not as useful" 2h hours, and @Tamoa, invincible is useless if you don't have the hate, i would prefer a 30 seconds stickonmedamnmob than invincible to all damage, it would be very useful for zerg, all DD could go all out for 30 seconds. (maybe that's why SE didn't implemented it yet XD).

Yeah i like this idea a lot give us something that makes us sacrifice ourself to be worthwhile... not something where we could easily HP to get weakness off.

[scaevola]

If Dancer could erase weakness once every two hours, I'd have soloed 85 Masamune by now.

MG isn't the the flashiest two-hour in the game but it allows Ninja to do something that literally no other job can do: completely bypass the game's wipe mechanic. That anyone would call that weak even on a job that wasn't one of FFXI's primary tanks blows my mind.

[Cesil]

Tamoa what you said was what I meant lol >.< I guess I worded it poorly ; ;

[esoR]

NIN essentially has a reset button for a 2hr, which is amazing in the limited situations its used in. i personally dont have any issues with it, but i'm not hearing detailed alternatives on what you think could replace it.

it's quite balanced as it is, so i'm not sure what you want from nin.

also i began playing nin about 3-4 years ago, and it has since become one of my mains, i list rng as my main because it's the job i enjoy the most, even if it isnt the one i play every day.