Ninja 2HR... Why isn't it changed yet?

[Cesil]

I think he means he would rather have veteran ninja's opinions...people who had it 75 from back in the day, before Abyssea..etc. Unfortunatley it is hard to tell anymore who is veteran on what job because of how much the game has changed...:/

[Tamoa]

I don't know why you would call Mijin Gakure useless. Especially in lowman situations, inside or outside abyssea - if you go down, you can get up (assuming you were smart enough to use rr before starting the fight/event if outside of abyssea), use rr if necessary (I always carry a rr scroll when on nin outside of abyssea), 2hr, and bam! you're back in action and quite possibly save the day. Or in this case, the fight.

There are other jobs who have 2hrs which really deserves an overhaul, much more so than nin and Mijin Gakure.

Oh and I dinged 75 nin 5 years ago, is that veteran enough for you?

[Anubis]

Love how you needed your girlfriend to come in here to try to clean up after your tempter tantrums. That's pro. You are so obviously capable of expressing a coherent thought without relying on other people to translate it for you.

I am an old school Ninja. I'm an extremely elitist Ninja. In fact, I firmly believe that I am better than you at Ninja. I still think this thread is worthless. Your faux-machismo bullcrap isn't going to fly here, son.

Once again your an ass and not contributing to this conversation so butt out please. fyi i dont need my gf to fight for me, she can do as she please but love how you pick at little bs and cause your insecure with what you are or how you play the game you have to troll every new thread that is posted and try to act like your little exsistance on a game matters so, once again nicely please gtfo, and if you cant read, my initial post clearly ask and seeks out a dev or dev rep's response. not people like you.

I don't know why you would call Mijin Gakure useless. Especially in lowman situations, inside or outside abyssea - if you go down, you can get up (assuming you were smart enough to use rr before starting the fight/event if outside of abyssea), use rr if necessary (I always carry a rr scroll when on nin outside of abyssea), 2hr, and bam! you're back in action and quite possibly save the day. Or in this case, the fight.

There are other jobs who have 2hrs which really deserves an overhaul, much more so than nin and Mijin Gakure.

Oh and I dinged 75 nin 5 years ago, is that veteran enough for you?

Thank you for posting something worthwhile. I always carry multi reraise items when im on ninja. But im talking about situation low man or big group situations where it counts like back in the days on hnm or dynamis or voidwatch or w/e that takes some thinking. If you have a ninja tank and the tank goes down, more than like everyone else will, reason why ninjas go down when they do go down is because of insane tp moves and magic elements and for those reason if a ninja goes down everyone else most likely will unless a pld or a mnk (up to date) is present which isnt always around in party due to not everyone choose to go with the same jobs set up to everything. But as i was saying once the nin goes down everyone else fall with it, and when that happens the ninja reraise use its 2hr and yeah its able to rr with unweaken state its not going to help much with support jobs who are weaken and we all know the hate situation isnt as what we would all like it to be.

[Tamoa]

Thank you for posting something worthwhile. I always carry multi reraise items when im on ninja. But im talking about situation low man or big group situations where it counts like back in the days on hnm or dynamis or voidwatch or w/e that takes some thinking. If you have a ninja tank and the tank goes down, more than like everyone else will, reason why ninjas go down when they do go down is because of insane tp moves and magic elements and for those reason if a ninja goes down everyone else most likely will unless a pld or a mnk (up to date) is present which isnt always around in party due to not everyone choose to go with the same jobs set up to everything. But as i was saying once the nin goes down everyone else fall with it, and when that happens the ninja reraise use its 2hr and yeah its able to rr with unweaken state its not going to help much with support jobs who are weaken and we all know the hate situation isnt as what we would all like it to be.

The harder VWNM fights I would never ever use nin as tank. Not sure I would use it as tank for the easy ones either to be honest. Nin is pretty weak outside abyssea still, although better than it used to be, but still weak. If you know what you are about to fight does insane tp moves, aoe magic and stuff like that, a nin tank is a bad idea.

In my ls, we have a nin present (an alt char, not a main) for procs, that's it.

[Cesil]

Well, I agree with Anubis that it does have room for improvment. It isn't about mages having enough MP really...or not having enough RR. If you compare NIN 2hr to other ones it doesn't seem as useful. A lot of other 2 hours can turn the battle around when things get bad. Ninja's (The one's I played with) don't die. The ninja's I play with only die when it is a mass wipe...then the 2hr is kind of useless.

I agree it is useful (If they die a lot...) to be able to get rid of weakness. But if you don't die..then well, it is useless.

[Tamoa]

Ninja's (The one's I played with) don't die. The ninja's I play with only die when it is a mass wipe...then the 2hr is kind of useless.

So dying when it's a mass wipe doesn't count as dying? It only counts if the nin is the only one to die?

And pardon me, but if it's a mass wipe, isn't just about EVERY 2hr useless? Maybe with the exception of rdm and blm 2hr, to finish off a mob that's @ 1-2% - assuming they aren't double weakened.

I agree it is useful (If they die a lot...) to be able to get rid of weakness. But if you don't die..then well, it is useless.

No it's not useful if they die a lot in one battle. It's useful in those oh shit moments when the nin goes down.

There are a lot "not as useful" 2h hours, and @Tamoa, invincible is useless if you don't have the hate, i would prefer a 30 seconds stickonmedamnmob than invincible to all damage, it would be very useful for zerg, all DD could go all out for 30 seconds. (maybe that's why SE didn't implemented it yet XD).

You're absolutely right. And why it's called Invincible I'll never understand - magic and ranged attack still does damage. Your idea doesn't sound half bad tbh, lol.

[Cesil]

inb4 lock. He did not ask me to reply...I did on my own. I feel the same way. He does not need me to defend him or anything...

I'm an extremely elitist Ninja. In fact, I firmly believe that I am better than you at Ninja

If you were you would not be dying as much if ever and realize how useless it is >.>

[Greatguardian]

Hundred Fists only matters when you're solo or don't have a Bard. Wild Card has the potential to do practically nothing. Spirit Surge is incredibly lame. Trance is useless when the limiting factor of step/waltz usage is Timers rather than TP, which is always. I could go on.

There are a lot of useless 2hrs, and many 2hrs that aren't useless are still not unique or the best abilities in the class. Mijin Gakure has a very explicit purpose, and for that purpose it's pretty great. No, it's no Mighty Strikes, but it doesn't really need to be. If they wanted to add a Reraise effect to Mijin, I'd be down with that. But they really shouldn't need to =/.

Edit: Stalking? =/ No. When a guy comes in here with <10 posts calling well known elitist jerks "noobs", I'm going to wonder who the frack this guy is. His character information is public domain, and he has "<3 Cesil" plastered on his FFXIAH. I straight up have no idea who either of you are beyond that. But I do think that you're trying way too hard to cover up for his rampant stupidity and temper tantrums.

If he wants to dig himself into a hole by being a ginormous flaming showerbag all over these forums, that's his own prerogative. If you want to jump in there to try and justify him, that's yours. He's still a troglodyte.