Blue mage logic is based on a level 75 game

[Rambus]

I want to know why are set spells and set spell point gain has been so slow past 75. With how many points we need for trait upgrades and the way voidwatch works it is very unreasonable to have 60 set points with merits and 20 spells.

71-75 should be 45, 75-80 should be 50, 81-85 should be 55, 86-90 should be 60, 91-95 should be 65. I would like to try that to see if the trait upgrades is reasonable. I do not see the logic in being stuck on level I or level II traits that can be found in different subs or that clear mind IV takes like 35 spell points. I do not understand why we are a proc leech in vw. I am sure there is more than 20 spells to proc in vw.

is it really borken to ask SE to get rid of the level 75 logic?

how come we can't set dual wield III? how come we can't set magic attack bonus II/III? how come we can't set magic attack bonus II/III? accurcy bonus II/III?

with this day and age i do not think it is broken to ask a level 2 or 3 trait to be setable around the cost of 10-15 points ( and yes i get that we need to stay on dobule attack and tripple attack I for now>< though they could upgrade war and thf a bit and gives us one upgrade for them ><)

[Daniel_Hatcher]

They already said they'd be adding more tiers of the traits such as DWIII, FastCast, Auto-Regen and so on.

[Rambus]

do you mean this post:

Blue mages, your time has come! Here is some feedback from the development in regards to your
Dual Wield/Fast Cast/Store TP/HPmax/MPmax/Auto Regen/Counter/Magic Burst Bonus/Skill Chain Bonus

While it is not possible to enhance all of the above job traits at level 90, with further level cap increase and the addition of new blue magic spells it will be possible to enhance them.

Also, when double attack/gilfinder are enhanced, we are planning to have them change into triple attack/treasure hunter.

or something else?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yup, that's the post.

[Rambus]

Well I am not to sure if the triple attack is really worth losing the double attack + the extra point cost. It was not adressing everything I said. Even if wiki is out of date and does not listed all the upgrades yet they cost too much points and spells.

60 points and 20 spells is not enough. Some times when I was trying to set points for Vw i would be 53/60 with 20 spells.

there is no reason clear mind Iv should cost 35 or so points (forget but it is around there)

[Darkvalkyr]

We get more of a kick out of Triple Attack than our Gimped Double Attack.

It's just dependant if you want to set the spells for it or not.

If I'm messing around I'd like to see BLU/WAR with TAtk and DA.

[Kitkat]

Yeah, from my experience and parse numbers the triple attack trait is actually worth the 12 set points. DoT is not significantly impacted, and the difference in WS numbers is very noticeable (especially with Epona's ring). As far as traits are concerned I believe the reason certain tiers are not currently allowed is due to balance issues considering buff spells we have access to or gear options we have access to. Accuracy is not a big issue other than on Heavy strike causing you to need a different set just to increase hit rate. Mab, we have Fantod, memento mori, and during right moon phase Plenilune.

I believe DWIII is probably not going to happen without the use of gear since it would open a very big DoT can of worms for blu when used in conjunction with other subjobs. Imagine a blu/war with DWIII, 9-10 shadow blink, double+triple attack, able to stack defender+cocoon, or the ability to further increase acc and attack? Seems a little overpowered to me.

[Prothscar]

Triple Attack is more effective for both DoT and weaponskill damage than our gimped Double Attack trait. It's a marginal difference, but a difference nonetheless. Whether you'd be best off setting the extra two spells to get triple attack as opposed to setting another trait or more utility spells is situational.

As for Dual Wield III being overpowered, no. It will be incredibly expensive to set with a requirement of 6 spells, the five that we already have access to being mostly 3+ points and two being utterly useless (Blazing Bound and Mortal Ray). We will more than likely be getting a sixth spell for the 99 cap. Occultation is incredibly inefficient MP-wise, keeping it up consistently isn't really a reliable means of damage mitigation especially given the fact that it is wiped by every AoE that there is.

Berserk and Warcry are the only abilities worth mentioning, and are buffs that CDC greatly benefits from in most every circumstance.

[Kitkat]

Even considering as expensive as 23 set points for DW III, 12 for Triple attack. Some of the spells aren't that bad for base stat gain (worst of which is demoralizing roar) or comprise of spells we use in standard set already. There is a good possibility of getting more good spells blu will use in standard set for the trait also causing others to be phased out, but they may also be utterly useless too. Won't know unless they actually add it, if they do. Considering best possible outcome (yes, hopeful wishing considering SE) there is the possibility that is could be unbalancing to allow up to Tier III DW trait given the versatility of the job.

Negating a blink effect due to AOE is a little naive varied by situation also. Not every thing AOE's, and in most cases the same argument can make utsu just as useless. It wasn't meant in a spam circumstance, primarily a mitigation option, but not necessity just as Utsu is an option. Yes, it is still a blink effect, but it is more reliable then simply evading or parrying.

I can only see the loss of possibly Auto Refresh and battery charge, but typically I have a rdm to fall back on or at least a whm/rdm that refresh regularly (yes I know not everyone does) meaning the loss of this isn't a significant impact. This is assuming as expensive as 23 set points for DW III (all DW spells together is currently 18, and max spell cost seems to be capped at 5points thus 23) and using Triple attack trait set (12 pt for a total of 35 and 10 slots out of 20). Also, I can't recall even one blu that uses all the spells they set, over a select handful, while gaining traits from the rest so calling a spell that gives some stat bonus useless holds little merit since that can already occur in a standard spell set due to setting specific job traits.

Assuming the worst, we would end up with the 6th spell being -stats important to your major DD spells (similar to demoralizing roar) ending up with a total loss of possibly 8-11str or 4-8dex. The biggest negative to subbing war over the conventional /nin (or in some cases /dnc, /rdm) is the loss of more reliable shadows and subtle blow III. Depending on -mdt/-pdt gear sets the shadow part might not be a big deal given our newer spells, though the subtle blow could be. Not hard to swap into the appropriate set and use cocoon/defender to tank the hate off....or just keep tanking depending on situation.

Considering the options it can turn a mediocre sub into the new preferred sub while not necessarily hurting us and instead further improving the DD output blu is already capable of. By the way, you forgot Aggressor if accuracy is really an issue >.> Just saying....

[Prothscar]

The blink effect is inefficient for more reasons than just being completely wiped by AoEs, it's also incredibly expensive. A good BLU won't be using MM, so don't even bring it up. your most reliable ways of keeping alive will be good mitigation sets and a good healer.

I barely even waste time casting Ichi if I'm /NIN, it's an unecessary waste of time in most circumstances. They're useful on a select handful of mobs, but aside from those, you lose more than you gain. Get better mitigation sets and better healers if you disagree.

The loss of 5% subtle blow shouldn't be breaking your bank. Is it a downside? Sure, but it's not horrible. Defender shouldn't be necessary for you to tank, it's much more of a detriment than it is a boon in most cases.

If you need the ACC from Aggressor then idk man.

Not sure why you're against increasing BLU's damage output, it's really not great as it is. Berserk, and, to a lesser extent, Warcry help fix this.