[dev1000] Dyna Reborn!(This is a joke...right?....Right?)

[Krystal]

Then you're paranoid. Do you question people when they do something nice for you without you asking?

wow..how old are you again? seriously....if you get handed a free car the most logical think to wonder is this:"why would they give me a car for free if it runs just fine?" no one i the real world is that nice anymore. but anyways getting off topic here

You are someone who is used to things taking forever in games and can't accept that something can be fun and challenging even if it doesn't take forever.

That is not true and an unfair judgment on players who enjoy a challenge as a whole. there are some NMs in FFXI that are a PAIN and a big challenge not because it takes forever to beat them..but because of their abilities. Their abilities make them hard to beat but can be beaten in a relevantly short time frame.

[Icestein]

Intangible objects in a game are completely analogous to cars.

This is thrown around a lot, I've heard it before in reference to this constant complaining, and usually I dislike this kind of rhetoric, but... Why haven't you just quit? It does seem like you are not currently enjoying the game as it is being played, and if you want any kind of change the most powerful message you can send comes from your wallet. This isn't achieving anything, in any given thread you create there are about twice as many people putting up perfectly legitimate answers as to why it is a good thing the game is evolving beyond the pseudo-challenge it used to present.

My biggest fear at the minute is that Square enix will see this influx of completely unnecessary threads and not scan for content inside them. The vocal QQers are really overwhelming the voices of others.

[Krystal]

When has dynamis ever been a challenge? I don't get it. I don't. It can be done with 4 people. It's an irrelevant event.

At level 75 is was a challenge...at level 90 it still is a challenge. strategy was a Requirement for Dyna and still is. players today base difficulty and challenge on how long it takes to kill a mob or clear an area..that's inaccurate and simple minded. example: A mob can be easily killed in five minuets but it's strength or some other ability or stat makes it a challenge to beat. it was never about "how long"...yet that's all players look at and complain about...so what does SE do? they nerf even the mobs who could easily be beaten to a laughable state. For all you players out there who want a quick and easy game...go to WoW....quit complaining and whining to kill a game we love just for your "instant gratification". and for those of you who don't have the time to be spending to do events and want faster easier mobs for that...if you don't have enough time for events as it stands...then do one of three things: 1:suck it up, solo, and enjoy the game. 2:MAKE TIME for events. it's not that hard people...seriously...if it is maybe you shouldn't be playing an MMO in the first place? 3:Quit playing and try a MMO where you can fit events into you're "Busy schedule".

either way...quit killing a great game!

[Alhanelem]

wow..how old are you again? seriously....if you get handed a free car the most logical think to wonder is this:"why would they give me a car for free if it runs just fine?"

Yes, you're paranoid. (And I was given a car for free, and it does run just fine.) It all depends on the circumstances. If some shady looking guy you've never met before comes up to your door and offers you something for nothing, yes, you should be wary about accepting it. But if it's someoine like a parent or close relative, or you won a prize on a gameshow or won the lottery or something, you shouldn't be asking what's wrong with it.

I'm 28, btw. The post was not immature, nor was I trying to attack you. But it's really not good to assume that anything you're given must have something wrong with it.

In the case of the free car, even if it doesn't run, what have you lost? nothing.

At level 75 is was a challenge...at level 90 it still is a challenge. strategy was a Requirement for Dyna and still is.

No, it's not still a challenge. An event originally created for multiple alliances is easily beaten with one or two parties now. Dynamis is predictable. Every run is the same because the monster placement is the same. Once you learn the strategy, there's no excuse for faliure. But now, you don't really even need strategy. Even 100 fists isn't that big of a threat anymore. The SMN 2hour is the only dangerous thing but it's also one of the most easy to stop.

[Nathos]

Do you have fun with how Dynamis is now? How long have you done Dynamis? I do it for 5 years at least and I'm already tired , it can get really boring at some parts, specially if you do it over and over.

AF2 isn't that good anymore. A few pieces are good to use. I see a lot of pieces going free for ppl that will level tho jobs some day eventually. Most pieces are not wanted. So why not make it easier/more fun/casual? The times are different from 8 years ago. People are used to different ways and tired of hardcore stuff. I have a lot of friends who quit the game because they got tired of repeating the same stuff over for years. The game is very time consuming. From a LS with 40-50 ppl we used to have 3 years ago, now there are like 6-9 ppl around yet playing. Most of them stopped due to time sinking and Dynamis is one of them.

I don't see a problem with this change, and I wouldn't care if it were made like WoE with shared pool tbh. I'm tired of greed people in this game. AF2 isn't that great and never was.

I see your point about challenge, I'm all up for challenges, but they need to be fun and have a point in doing them. Not so time consuming. The game needs a balance. Not so hardcore, but not so easy. It's always good to have casual stuff or things that don't take a huge time.
Dynamis is pretty old, ppl are tired of doing it over and over, it's boring. I like this update, it might be more fun and more accessible to new players or casual players also. Took me a good time to get some pieces i really wanted there but I don't care if ppl get it faster and easier now. Not a big. I got most of what i needed in all these years and prolly will need stuff for jobs i'm planning on leveling and I certainly won't like to do it over and over again in a time consuming and boring way.

[Icestein]

I'd argue that you're trying to kill it with your nostalgia hoarding. Dynamis has, for many many many years, sucked tremendously.

I like the game now, and who's to say that my opinion is in anyway inferior to yours?

[Krystal]

Yes, you're paranoid. (And I was given a car for free, and it does run just fine.) It all depends on the circumstances. If some shady looking guy you've never met before comes up to your door and offers you something for nothing, yes, you should be wary about accepting it. But if it's someoine like a parent or close relative, or you won a prize on a gameshow or won the lottery or something, you shouldn't be asking what's wrong with it.

I'm 28, btw. The post was not immature, nor was I trying to attack you. But it's really not good to assume that anything you're given must have something wrong with it.

love how you just cut off half the message and grabbed the part that made me look bad...-_-; the point i was making with that is-*stops and realizes how stupid this is and off topic* you know what..not going to argue this one...i'm not having a decent topic derailed thanks to this....

Do you have fun with how Dynamis is now? How long have you done Dynamis? I do it for 5 years at least and I'm already tired , it can get really boring at some parts, specially if you do it over and over.

i still do and love dyna. one of the funniest and most challenging areas in the game. course it can be annoying when someone aggros a large group and wipes us....but that comes par the course for these types of areas. and as for how long. did it for nearly a year then stopped doing it because the shell died and didn't know where to find another. found another and been steady with it for about 2 years now.

[Salvation]

don't you even care about what happened to the challenge? that's what the big issue is about here. i love a challenge. and SE is taking every challenge FFXI has..one after the other and turning it into a laughing stock. i pay roughly $25-30 a month on FFXI with all my content IDs included. sure that don't seem much at a small glance but think of it one the long term scale 25x5 years=$1,500-$1800(if i'm doing the math right) now times that by the player base who wants a challenge in the game which makes up more than half of the Alexander server which has roughly 1200 people in it 600x1,500=$900,000-$1,080,000 now looking at those numbers...that's one hell of a profit not even including how many content IDs other players may have and how much their monthly totals to...now consider this: Those players all leave due to the lack of challenge in the game.....ya...that's bad for them! unlike you i don't look at the here and now i look at it from a long term business point of view. which makes your statement about the"here and now" pretty much irrelevant but not completely. the points you made at the bottom are dead on...but i stay because i love this game no matter how much FFXI kills it..however if they kill it much more i may actually leave.

I understand what you are saying, however I think that you are missing the bigger picture here. First off the challenge in this game has always been more or less player imposed. New content is released some of which throws players for a loop for a short while and then strategies are devised and lead to commonplace methods of completion. I remember when people complained to no end about the changes made to CoP and how those changes somehow rendered the progress previously made by players worthless. It was a lot of BS in end. SE looked at the numbers and determined that there were obviously issues there if only a small percentage of the player base had progressed through the content. Achievements are and should be in the eye of the person that accomplishes them. The same should true to challenges in this game.

Although the situation with dynamis is slightly different as this is revamping old content that is seldom used, it still doesn't change the fact that at this stage in FFXI's life cycle SE needs to do what makes the most sense to keep the majority happy. I love FFXI as much as anyone else, but that doesn't change the fact that this game is still old and things need to be changed from time to time. I'd rather have some aspects of FFXI changed than to not have the game at all.

[Alhanelem]

love how you just cut off half the message and grabbed the part that made me look bad...-_-;

I didn't "cut out half the message" nor just "grabbed the part that made you look bad." I quoted the part of your post I wanted to address. It's nothing more or less than that. Can't you see you're getting all bent up for no reason? You assume the worst about EVERYTHING.

If you don't want a decent topic derailed, then don't do something that invites it to be. Not that there isn't already another identical topic on the front page....

one of the funniest and most challenging areas in the game.

Again, i'm sorry, but dynamis is not even close to the most challenging thing in the game, and it hasn't been for years. Most people have moved on to other things, because the fun and challenge value has been sucked out of it from having done the same event and nothing but the same event for so long. It's really about time they changed it up. I haven't gone in dynamis in at least 8 months or so and I'm actually interested in checking it out again after this since it will become more casual and accessible without having to devote your life to an LS.

[Ciecle]

Level 75 in abyssea was a challenge? Level 90 Challenge? Wut? Dynamis was never a challenge. there's groups that can take out Dyna lord and still have time to farm afterwards, There's groups now who go in with 8 and do Dyna Xarc and farm + dyna lord. I fail to see the "challenge" in that. If you're requiring 'strategy' while doing Dynamis you're doing something wrong and you really need to check the community sites for more information on how to destroy dynamis. Dynamis was a 'challenge' back at 65 when you needed 3 full alliances and still wiped to everything.