Some ideas for changes for Summoner

[Malamasala]

I still don't get people who say SMN empyrean armor is awesome. They are just like gigantic band aids to cover all issues with the job. In the end what they are without regard to perpetuation and skill over cap bonus...

2 MP per tick refresh
10% bonus to BPs
Enhanced magic accuracy

Imagine if the WAR set had:

2 HP per tick regen
10% bonus to WSes (does not work with relic/mythic/empyrean wses or fellcleave)
Enhances accuracy of elemental WSes

Would you still say it is the best armor set WAR ever got?

The SMN empy is lacking obvious things like pet haste, pet DA and all other stats the WARs actually got. All we got were band aids to make our job average.

Is it the best armor we've ever gotten? Sure, but it is still worse than the armors WAR had from old 75 level content. We are just doomed to get stuff that nobody else than a SMN would think is good.

[Razushu]

I still don't get people who say SMN empyrean armor is awesome. They are just like gigantic band aids to cover all issues with the job. In the end what they are without regard to perpetuation and skill over cap bonus...

2 MP per tick refresh
10% bonus to BPs
Enhanced magic accuracy

Imagine if the WAR set had:

2 HP per tick regen
10% bonus to WSes (does not work with relic/mythic/empyrean wses or fellcleave)
Enhances accuracy of elemental WSes

Would you still say it is the best armor set WAR ever got?

The SMN empy is lacking obvious things like pet haste, pet DA and all other stats the WARs actually got. All we got were band aids to make our job average.

Is it the best armor we've ever gotten? Sure, but it is still worse than the armors WAR had from old 75 level content. We are just doomed to get stuff that nobody else than a SMN would think is good.

Thats a fine comparision except not only are you are you ignoring some of the other stuff on Caller's set like Avatar :TP Bonus, enhances mana cede, and the +2 set bonus. Complaining that summoning magic skill, and - perpetuation are main stats on the set is like the WAR's complaining that they have haste and accuracy on theirs, as they should be hitting that well and fast already.

In case you haven't noticed everything in this game has a downside, we have perpetuation cost(easily negated now), and WARs have the possiblity of being floored by a mob. Every mage job wears gear with skill on the only difference between us and them is how that is applied as a bonus, they get Macc and -spell interupt, we get a wider array of bonuses from this extra skill.

In case you haven't noticed in all your years of playing Summoner, our Avatars are treated as spike DDs, not WARs, they don't really need WAR stats, the only thing holding us back is BP delay(which is due a fix), other than that maybe a new tier of rages would be nice.