Cure V

[Vortex]

Oh for crying out loud ANOTHER whining topic about Cure V, when will this crap end. They already mentioned that they plan on curing a "higher" tier cure later but i don't think it will be cure V, let this crap die, im sorry you rdms can't be the King/queens of healing like you were for 4 years but whining about it 1,001 times really isn't going to get SE to give you something that you don't really need.

I said it before and i'll say it again, if you want cure V play whm. RDM can't solve everything. if ANY other mage jobs should get a better cure SCH gets it since they are already better healers then rdm anyway.

RDM/NIN are masters are soloing, a whm/nin and a sch/nin cann't accoplish what a rdm/nin could. but RDMS just want it all i guess. healing, enfeebling, soloing, i guess next you'll want AM2s and tier 5 spells.

[Aurara]

Oh for crying out loud ANOTHER whining topic about Cure V, when will this crap end. They already mentioned that they plan on curing a "higher" tier cure later but i don't think it will be cure V, let this crap die, im sorry you rdms can't be the King/queens of healing like you were for 4 years but whining about it 1,001 times really isn't going to get SE to give you something that you don't really need.

I said it before and i'll say it again, if you want cure V play whm. RDM can't solve everything. if ANY other mage jobs should get a better cure SCH gets it since they are already better healers then rdm anyway.

RDM/NIN are masters are soloing, a whm/nin and a sch/nin cann't accoplish what a rdm/nin could. but RDMS just want it all i guess. healing, enfeebling, soloing, i guess next you'll want AM2s and tier 5 spells.

Hey, stop trolling this is a serious thread i want RDM to get cure V. Also RDM will probably get Stone/WaterV by the time we're 99.

[Vortex]

Hey, stop trolling this is a serious thread i want RDM to get cure V. Also RDM will probably get Stone/WaterV by the time we're 99.

So does every damn RDM, because they want to be broken again, you don't need Cure V, period. maybe you do need something stronger then cure 4 but 5 is asking for to much, it's like asking to give whm a A+ enfeebling skill rating as well as a natural fast cast. RDM has it's time to shine for years, time to move on. it is still a fun job and can solo very well, refresh 2 is very good when abyssea is not involved, espcially with af3, why do you want rdm to be over powerd?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Hey, stop trolling this is a serious thread i want RDM to get cure V. Also RDM will probably get Stone/WaterV by the time we're 99.

They wont get tier V, SE will not give 2 tier V spells. It'd be all or none. Personally it will be none. RDM is capable but not better.

Tier IV, while BLM gets V and it should be tier V Cure when WHM get's Cure VI.

So does every damn RDM, because they want to be broken again, you don't need Cure V, period. maybe you do need something stronger then cure 4 but 5 is asking for to much, it's like asking to give whm a A+ enfeebling skill rating as well as a natural fast cast. RDM has it's time to shine for years, time to move on. it is still a fun job and can solo very well, refresh 2 is very good when abyssea is not involved, espcially with af3, why do you want rdm to be over powerd?

Yes, they do need V. It needs to be gimped in more than just the Enmity- but RDM needs Tier V. Spell progression doesnt go I, II, III, IV, IV.5 and V it goes I, II, II, IV and V.

[Felren]

Rdm,Sch need to be so good that they don't need the healing potential Cure V brings, or they need Cure V to be actually a viable job.

Between Rdm getting self-target only stat boost spells while whm gets the party stat boost spells and temper being self-cast only, Rdm is getting zero party usefulness every update while they could be getting more. It wouldn't be as bad either if those buffs would work with Accession, but they don't. Since 75, Rdm has gotten Refresh II and job abilities. For god's sake they even get a unique spell like Addle AND IT IS GIVEN TO WHITE MAGE THE NEXT UPDATE. This is all the while giving red mage cure V would be "broken".

[Neisan_Quetz]

Cure V without solace, emp+2 body and emp+2 pants (they can nerf the fixed enmity on it if they really want) isn't going to suddenly make Rdm the best healer again.

If you haven't noticed we're not the best soloist anymore, if you can nuke solo it, Blm and Sch are better now (Blu as well with Regurg spam and other spells), if you can melee solo, Nin and Dnc and Blu at minimum are better now.

Sch should never get any cure spell before Rdm, they never have. Ever. Sch learns cure spells at the same rate as Pld.

[Stylin]

Cure V without solace, emp+2 body and emp+2 pants (they can nerf the fixed enmity on it if they really want) isn't going to suddenly make Rdm the best healer again.

Somehow I doubt WHM's pants make that much of a difference compared to RDM's Refresh 2. The only time I can honestly say it's helped is when I'm bouncing between Cure 5 and 6 or dropping an AoE heal.

[Swords]

People forget part of the reason we became such prominent healers wasn't because we could cast cure IV over and over again with minimal downtime, but we also had a secondary spell called Cure III to rotate with which had a solid impact on hp in it's day and age. However with HP pools growing, Cure III is FAR from sufficient enough to do much if any good for the group. That leaves us with Cure IV, being THE ONLY decent healing spell we have access too at these later levels, but recast timers and cooldown leaves us even more lacking besides just raw cure power. However the raw power of Cure V is a little much, and chances are we would revisit the pink bird era again (Essentially Cure V/IV now would be our Cure IV/III from back then) which most of us want to try and avoid.

Instead of Cure V I think something along the lines of new type of healing spell would work in our favor. Similar to how WHM's got Cura as a secondary Curga II/III, I don't see why RDM couldn't get something like "Heal" standing in as another Cure IV equivilant so RDM at least has something else to heal with when one is cooling down and it would effectively double our curing capacity.

[CapriciousOne]

People forget part of the reason we became such prominent healers wasn't because we could cast cure IV over and over again with minimal downtime, but we also had a secondary spell called Cure III to rotate with which had a solid impact on hp in it's day and age. However with HP pools growing, Cure III is FAR from sufficient enough to do much if any good for the group. That leaves us with Cure IV, being THE ONLY decent healing spell we have access too at these later levels, but recast timers and cooldown leaves us even more lacking besides just raw cure power. However the raw power of Cure V is a little much, and chances are we would revisit the pink bird era again (Essentially Cure V/IV now would be our Cure IV/III from back then) which most of us want to try and avoid.

Instead of Cure V I think something along the lines of new type of healing spell would work in our favor. Similar to how WHM's got Cura as a secondary Curga II/III, I don't see why RDM couldn't get something like "Heal" standing in as another Cure IV equivilant so RDM at least has something else to heal with when one is cooling down and it would effectively double our curing capacity.

I don't know why everybody keep b@#$%ing about Cure V being to powerful for a RDM or even SCH, that is complete bull. I solo alot as a RDM/DNC because the Cure III/IV combo together only cures about 550ish hp at best but to be fair my healing skill isn't capped. Cure IV + Curing Waltz III cures about 750HP on self per attack round. WHM is like an A in healing while RDM is only like C or so and dont have any job ability like Addendum White like SCH to boost it any. So even with gear enhancements to cure potency and boosts to MND stat there is relatively low chance to heal more hp per cast than a WHM no matter how much you try to make a point that we will.

In addition the mobs past level 85 are hitting harder and faster requiring more healing power to stay alive especially nm. The combination of Cure V and Cure 4 will just barely put us at the 1000hp point at best short of gear and other bonus mods. With all the Cure potency stuff WHM gets what the F are you whm crying about? I swear i saw a screenshot some where of a whm curing for over 1500hp(cant remember where) so how is that going to make us a better healer? In any case Cure IV + Curing waltz III = 700~750 of my ~1400 hp where Cure V + Cure IV or Cure V+ CWIII would be about 1000/1400 and a WHM can basically cure to full health with one Cure V + Divine Seal, so am i missing something or are you WHM just idiots?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Somehow I doubt WHM's pants make that much of a difference compared to RDM's Refresh 2. The only time I can honestly say it's helped is when I'm bouncing between Cure 5 and 6 or dropping an AoE heal.

It's not the only thing but it certainly helps. I left a bunch of other stuff out of that extremely small list.

It's not the difference between pants and refresh 2 but either sublimation + arts or convert and refresh 1, unless all your whms run around /blm (I'll give you /thf but even then with proper auto gear and depending on targets mp still isn't a problem for whm as much anymore).