Current Empy 95 Price

[Byrth]

JP reports say that the Almace hasn't changed in any hidden way. It's just base damage + Stat. I'm hoping that drops the prices.

Also, CoP Dynamis nets me a consistent 75~100 currency more than normal Dynamis did.

[Staren]

Dynamis with 2-3 people is an average of 300 coins a run on the low end. At around 18000 coins on the worst end thats 60 runs 2 months of work on the low end for a relic.

From my original post in this thread. This 2-3 people was referring to the BST duo we compete against every night we farm and our group. So yes you can do 300+ coins regularly duo I just didnt take the time to spell it out for your special ed needs. I never claimed I did the zone with 2 people just that I know its possible.

I love your logic Pchan.

On top of that there are way to many issues with the CoP zones that will ruins your runs :

-- the 5th extension which randomly pops at one of the random 4 High levels beastmen camps. Crossing the zone looking for it will take up to 20 minutes.
-- BST soloers
-- other group farming
-- having to change camp due to this

So CoP is too hard for you to do with 1-3 people so you do a 6 man run somewhere else? If you have good players you can split up and one get the normal TE's and the other one find and kill the random in about 10 mins. I'd like to point out we do it under in 10 mins regularly with "fail" jobs too. Sorry new Dyna is Hard Mode for you. Funny how you can claim we have "fail" jobs but you're not a skilled enough group (knowing you have 6 people) to kill CoP timers in 10 mins.

And on top of that you start with saying this

For two you are saying that you proc in under a minute (which is extremely slow), because as I explained you need to proc and kill in less than 45 seconds as well as having treasure hunter 2 to get your 300 coins DUO, which is IMPOSSIBLE and is what you two claimed, so get your "facts" straight. Getting 300 coins DUO is not the same as getting 300 coins TRIO

And then go to this

Also I noticed that you laughed at my 400 coins per run with 6, probably because you think it is unefficient. Do you realise that your 3 fail jobs would pull 400 coins by doing 3 runs simultaneously on BST. There is a strategy for you and BG, be sure to post it, because apparently it was not brought yet to your knowledge that BST is the best ratio time/coins/number of jobs (and that has been the case for 6 months). The only reason for farming with more than 2 in dynamis is if you are at least dual boxing. Otherwise, BST or bust.

So you admit that its possible to duo 300+ coins with beastmasters in CoP but you also say its impossible for a duo to get 300+ coins in the same breath. Also you say solo/duo beast is more efficient but you farm 400 coins with 6 people anyways? Why because you like wasting time? We're a low man group we're not splitting coins they're being sold and going towards the mythic we're working on after that they'll go to the relics we're working on. So I dont get how us making almost as much as you make with 6 people with 3 such a huge time waste we average per person more coins than you do anyways with our "fail" jobs. Also you dont take into the fact that the strat to for beastmasters to duo/solo doesnt allow for whiteprocing since both of them sub dancer to quick proc JA's. So it comes down to are you a risk taker and like getting 1-x number of whiteprocs a run on occasion or do you go for consistent 300-400 coins a run and settle. Personally I enjoy the random chance of getting white proc and especially enjoy when we get 3 white procs in a run 600 coins is nice.

So I'll end with giving you a piece of your own advice about posting without reading what the other person has actually said and not proofreading your own posts.

so get your "facts" straight.

[Staren]

Yeah, I don't believe you.



As if that can't be edited to show whatever you want it to.



Asking for solidarity in an MMO forum is just pissing into the wind. You're not going to see that because not everyone wants the same thing. and often what people want is mutually exclusive of what somone else wants. Thus people are constantly at each other's throats. Some people want endgame to be egalitarian and fair, others want it to be a gated community that keeps out the noobs by being extremely difficult. This is how it's always been in every MMORPG ever (it was like this when I played Meridian, and later Everquest) and human nature will ensure that it always remains this way.

If you really think I feel the need to edit a text file that long to prove a strat I got third hand works. It's not even worth the effort. I'm following what I heard and reporting the results you can believe or not believe me. I've got no real reason to need to prove it to you I offered as a politeness. You can be in denial or jump on the bandwagon and try it for yourself. It takes a few runs to learn the timers and to get your rhythm but you can pull as much as we do regularly.

[Staren]

Imo i feel this new 1500 item for empyrean is a step back for SE for a few reasons.

atm the drop rate is something like 1 in 5 (inc pouchs) meaning you need to do around 7000 runs

if on a good day you get a run done in 20 min it would take you 2333 hours to complete it if say you play this game 4 hours a day on average then your looking at 583 days to complete a weapon.

I know you're upset about the requirement but you're also exaggerating drastically. If the drop rate was that low Niceguy wouldnt have even been able to buy or farm all the heavy metal plates he did in a week to finish his 95 Almace. You need to get in with a good VWNM group and do Qilins and you'll realize how much faster this actually is. Yes it may still cost you a month of playtime if you dont buy heavy metal plates but so do Empys when they first came out. If a month to two months of your time is not worth the weapon dont work on it until next update where I'm sure it'll be much easier to get.

[MarkovChain]

So you admit that its possible to duo 300+ coins with beastmasters in CoP but you also say its impossible for a duo to get 300+ coins in the same breath.

Nope I didn't say solo BST get 300 coins ... They don't.

Also you say solo/duo beast is more efficient but you farm 400 coins with 6 people anyways? Why because you like wasting time?

You are not bright, aren't you ? 6 char but two persons. 2 bst doing two runs at the same time will get a maximum of 200 coins EACH and I doubt they can even get this, so yeah it's still inferior to 400 coins.

And no doing 6 runs @ 150c per run is not better than 1 run at 400 coins I will let you guess why. However it IS vastly better than your pathetic 3 man pulling 300 coins (maybe) because you spent 2 hours for one million each which essentially is on par with cruor farming and selling roffl.

[Staren]

Sorry, that post was made before we'd figured out the CoP Dynamis proc system. I pulled in 225 currency last night in Qufim, which has no good Byne monsters unless you're essentially solo in the zone. Pulling in 200~300 with 2-3 players isn't even 100 currency per hour per player though.

I pull in 200~250 every two hours with two characters and one player (me). A little over 2 mil per night on average. Toss in other random things I do for gil, and I'm making about 3mil per night average (~17-20 plates, averaging the prices I buy at). I expect supply to spike on the weekends.

Some servers have been reporting as low as 100k/plate already. Lakshmi is sitting pretty strong at 170-200k/plate.

Byrth we're a low man group so we do everything for the group. We're farming in whole. So while we're not one person dual boxing working for himself. We're one extra player than you working towards one goal. We make 300 coins a night on a bad night (last night I came /blm on accident and it took us 15-20 mins to get TE's since I couldnt solo the random stat and we got 415 coins). I dont know if you have the chance to white proc the way you do either. Its our method and its a pretty common one. We're still getting an extra 50+ coins a bad run from your high end and its going towards one goal. So I guess you could argue efficiency but we've also had a 600 coin run and I'd argue its due to two subless dancers pulling and procing constantly while I finish off their mobs once they proc. Its just a difference in playstyles though and I personally don't have any ill feelings on your dual boxing 200-250 coins hats off thats more than I'd be able to get dual boxing, maybe duo but idk I'm not the best dualboxer.

[Staren]

Nope I didn't say solo BST get 300 coins ... They don't.



You are not bright, aren't you ? 6 char but two persons. 2 bst doing two runs at the same time will get a maximum of 200 coins and I doubt they can even get this, so yeah it's still inferior to 400 coins.

And no doing 6 runs @ 150c per run is not better than 1 run at 400 coins I will let you guess why.

Look at your math you said 3 beasts doing simultaneous solo runs could get 400 coins easy. So there is no way by your own logic that two beasts could get a maximum of 200 coins when adding a third by your own word would double that.

[MarkovChain]

blabla abour white procing

White procing is fail, k ? ALL the strategies and jobs combos implying white procs end into fail because they average less than a normal setup. So yeah sorry for not accounting fail stratetgies, but I now see how you totally made up your 300 coins duo haha.

[Staren]

Also I may not be bright in your eyes but wow at your reading comprehension. I said 300 coins on a bad run 300+ on an average run. So our three man is not too far off from what you and your friend manage to "duo" but have to use 6 characters for. Grats you can use a whole ton of third party apps or hit alt tab reeeeeally fast. All that effort to make maybe 100 coins more than us on our bad runs. Congrats! You didnt have to make another friend. Glad that let you avoid all the other logic and your own double talk. I now realize you're not man enough to admit your own mistakes or incoherencies. I dont need to respond to you any more, though should of known this before I started responding with the name you've made for yourself.

[Staren]

White procing is fail, k ? ALL the strategies and jobs combos implying white procs end into fail because they average less than a normal setup. So yeah sorry for not accounting fail stratetgies, but I now see how you totally made up your 300 coins duo haha.

We made 412 coins last night with 1 white proc. U mad bro? I also came /blm and it took us 15 mins to farm timers. Sorry we're just more efficient than having to pay 45 dollars a month on two people to be able to make maybe 100 coins more than our bad nights.