Current Empy 95 Price

[MarkovChain]

This. Oh god, this.

Among other things, I'd like to know what the hell assumption he's making for the THF's attack; it looks like 400, which is a lot lower than it should be (wearing basically no attack gear and at 310 club skill, my WHM95 has 376 attack; a THF95 with capped dagger should be sitting in the vicinity of 460 attack instead).

Cool story bro. At 460 attack +/-4 attack yields 0.9% variation in damage lol. You and arcon could team up and math it str kila vs loldagger.

[Atomic_Skull]

This. Oh god, this.

Among other things, I'd like to know what the hell assumption he's making for the THF's attack; it looks like 400, which is a lot lower than it should be (wearing basically no attack gear and at 310 club skill, my WHM95 has 376 attack; a THF95 with capped dagger should be sitting in the vicinity of 460 attack instead).

TP set (no food)

STR: 88+23
DEX: 99+35
Attack: 571

WS set(no food)

STR:88+74
DEX:99+38
Attack:600

[MDenham]

TP set (no food)

STR: 88+23
DEX: 99+35
Attack: 571

WS set(no food)

STR:88+74
DEX:99+38
Attack:600

Thanks for more accurate numbers. I was running with the "not wearing any attack gear" assumption with my number, and was still coming out with results of "if you get 2% or more crits from the DEX+15, that's enough to beat a STR Kila" (on mobs with ~90 VIT).

[MarkovChain]

TP set (no food)

STR: 88+23
DEX: 99+35
Attack: 571

WS set(no food)

STR:88+74
DEX:99+38
Attack:600

With 600 attack, mob with 450 DEF, 7 level difference

@ 600 attack : pdif average=1.1906
@ 604 attack : pdif average=1.1800

0.9% increase (on non crits)

[Motenten]

The calculations were implicit rather than explicit, but what he stated regarding the kila is more or less correct.

I'd mainly disagree on the dDex issue, since thf should have a fairly respectable amount of dex in gear nowadays (+30 dex from the usual 4/5 AF3+2 setup plus Rajas), and thus should easily be in at least the 30-40 dDex range. As such, "best case" (which is what he claimed) would be something like +10% crit rate (going from ~15% to 25%), which is pretty huge.

[Rearden]

The calculations were implicit rather than explicit, but what he stated regarding the kila is more or less correct.

I'd mainly disagree on the dDex issue, since thf should have a fairly respectable amount of dex in gear nowadays (+30 dex from the usual 4/5 AF3+2 setup plus Rajas), and thus should easily be in at least the 30-40 dDex range. As such, "best case" (which is what he claimed) would be something like +10% crit rate (going from ~15% to 25%), which is pretty huge.

I'm fairly sure I can push out as much DEX on WAR as a Twash/Corus THF and still not be near the 40 range for dDEX on anything worthwhile. A Mithra THF or WAR, maybe, but unlikely. Most of the gear sacrifices are too poor to make anyway for such a small boost.

[Asymptotic]

THe NQ version of Coruscanti has Crit + 4% so I think it's a good assumption that ODSD is better than Crit+4% mathematically, if SE knows anything.

[Insaniac]

The OA2-3 does actually but Relic damage does not.

[Eth]

Responding to the original topic.

I'm disappointed that SE does not seem after all to have learned the main lesson of the Zilart and TOAU relic systems. Tying the acquisition of relic weapons to an insane gil chase encourages the worst kinds of pathologies: RMT, fish botting, monster monopolization, racketeering, LS bank stealing, and scams of every kind.

The Empyrean relics up to stage 90 are exactly like a relic system should work: cooperative quests plus an item collection task that can and must, due to the ex nature of the items, be personally completed, with minimal constraints from competition.

But now we're back to the failed design philosophy of you must make ridiculous amounts of gil in order to buy control of much of a server's supply of a scarce resource, and whoever is best at acquiring gil, whether by ethical or unethical means, wins.

Worthiness by wealth- it didn't work for the Zilart relics, and it won't work now. It will just bring out the worst in everyone. Stop the insanity SE - keep Empyrean upgrades as reasonable as they were from 75 to 90, and balance the other two relic systems by increasing the drop rates of ancient currency and Alex by a large factor.

[Asymptotic]

balance the other two relic systems by increasing the drop rates of ancient currency and Alex by a large factor.

Alexandrite, yeah. But they've already done this with ancient currency. CoPamis absolutely rains currency. Rains.