Current Empy 95 Price

[Gokku]

OP has been updated with the most up to point prices ive found ill comb the thread for any missed listings , feel free to post more.

[Orson]

I'm going to break this down.



1) No. No it's not. I have to go work for 8 hours a day for a few bucks an hour. I can farm up 1-5mil a day, in just a few hours a day, with a mule.

2) You're going with a price that is not even decided yet, aqnd basing all of your assumptions off of it.

3) You have no Idea what the upgrade to Emp weapons are, and you're already writing it off as minor, not even considering likely hidden boosts or future 99 boosts.

4) Just because YOU think you/others won't do the upgrade doesn't mean others won't.

People will make these fast and for cheap within 3 months.

I also want to point out that VW is the first Endgame content we've received since the 75 cap was raised. Endgame is supposed to be harder, since that's the point of endgame. Endgame is not designed for everyone. This is a good thing. Everyone's getting something. Everyone has access to a passably strong weapon, and the dedicated get stronger weapons. The End.

I hate to feed trolls but....

People who use point form arguments tend to be trying to present their opinion as fact. All this does is make you come off as a know it all. As I pointed out Relics and such were content that was done by very few. There's no indication that others won't see this as anything different than a Relic. Also the general consensus on most forums is that this trial is not only unpopular but will take even the most avid player a long time to finish.

You don't seem to understand how supply and demand work. Just like any limited commodity market, item prices will go up not only on the number of people in the market but will adjust to how much people are earning. If the average player can earn X gil per week then the plates price will be set where him/her will not be able to afford that goal in a reasonable time frame. With the estimates of how many heavy plates are coming into the market even big gil makers/buyers will take a long time to finish the trial in question. Your excuse of "I can make 1-5 mil in a few hrs" means very little because likely you are not earning much more than the average player per hr. You might have more time to spend on the game than the average player but overall the total time you spend on the trial is likely about the same. So your whole argument revolves not around what's a reasonable amount of effort but that you have enough time to waste or are willing to exploit people, so screw everyone else.

To say they shouldn't make the majority of content for everyone after the leveling portion of the game is only embraced by a small group of people with superiority complexes based on having more free time than their fellow co-players. Unsurprisingly this group of players are very loud about how the game isn't hardcore enough for them because the only time they're happy is when they have a visible and numerical advantage over the average player. It's not enough that they finish content faster than anyone else they feel the need to be "superior."

It is funny that you think content should be designed that only targets a small % of the population of FFXI. From a marketing aspect that's ridiculous and not financially sound. Abyssea was a smash hit. Why? The gear was awesome and was readily available without fighting others for the privilege to get it (for the most part.) Now look at something like Chocobo Racing I bet you thought that was a waste of development right? What about the Evolith system created solely to promote Synergy? Wouldn't it have been more intelligent and keep more subscriptions to put those efforts into fixing stuff like inventory issues or raising the level cap sooner? Nah that's stupid, Chocobo Racing obviously made a small group happy so it made the game better. That's the attitude that has time and time again hurt this game. Always satisfy the largest groups first then move onto the more fringe elements if you have time.

The other common mistake is equating length of task to difficulty. It's not like FFXI is hard. Even VW can be done by most average players with the proper leadership and study/education. The task of collecting an item that costs gil that can be accrued simply by having spare time solo is difficult how? Sure it takes dedication to complete such tasks but apart from that it doesn't make you better at the game. The only possible things that make you "superior" is you have had luck using the in-game economy, have generous friends, and/or have plenty of real life money to spend.

[Mahoro]

Its popular because you can come any job and get a chest. You can show up on a given job and mindlessly play it and still rank. So yes it does matter.

Get a group of people who mindlessly attack monsters and do as they wish on an individual level to go to VW and let me know how that works out. My bet is it won't work at all.

I never said it would work. I specifically said you would need someone to herd them up (via shout group or LS) and have some switch jobs. There have been plenty of shout groups for VW on my server, and I know people who have reached T3 on Jeuno path specifically through shout groups. Molech's point was that VW would never be popular because of the numbers of people needed, assuming that all content needs to be 2/3-mannable to be successful, but that simply isn't the case.

And I don't think WoE is popular because you can come any job and get a chest. I think it's popular because of the rewards.

[Return1]

Mathematically proven to be inferior to AF3+2 to monk.

What? MNK can't even Equip Ganesha's Mala.

Is this a joke. What is a Gjallarhorn ¿¿ 2 weeks of work. What is a daurdabla ? Two week of work. Facepalm.

Less than 1% of the Game's population has a Gjallarhorn, and what does Daurdabla have to do with anything? The March+ is awesome and to my knowledge the only other +3 March aside from Gjallarhorn.

Nice inferior ring for your local BLM. lolcor etc. Don't get me started on this. Inbefore accuracy matter and an argument to prefer this over real magic accuracy rings.

Inferior to what? Inside Abyssea it's pretty much the best nuking ring, and it's useful for some Blue Nukes and Magic WSes.

Rajas ring , eponas ring, oneiros annulet.

You don't even get why people would want a Tyrant Ring...Rajas is the other finger, and the only good STP alternative is Hoard Ring, which is worse in comparison.

Look at my sig. This piece of crap is the most useless piece of gear I have ever seen.

The Mekira is one of the best Physical damage reduction bodies in the game, and the best for several jobs that can equip it. On top of that, it's good for Torcleaver and HS off the top of my head.

Sidegrade in case your LS sucks too much and doesn't already have double daurdabla bards maybe ? You know usseful gear etc.

You're showing a distinct lack of intelligence. Hold on, let me bring 2 Gjallarhorn+Daurdabla BRDs to every single thing I go to do in this game. Soloing/lowmanning be damned.

lolwut -enmity

It's the TP reduction, not the enmity down.

This is junk obviously

The knife that gives a 3minute Haste effect upon procing and can be removed after the proc and the effect will remain.

lolcor, I hear they finally beat PUP in the last census

Again you're showing a lack of intelligence. COR has become very popular thanks to Wildfire, buffs actually being needed again, and new rolls. This bullet is head and shoulders above all else.

I hear WHM has cure V,VI curaga IV,V and caps cure potency. Alos I'm pretty sure RDM,SCH and SMN are no longer healer due to SE deciding so.

It's good for all Cure Casting Time builds, and good for enfeeble potency builds, SS builds for something like BRD, and Cure potency for other mages besides WHM. Believe it or not, these mages can contribute to curing and even main heal certain things depending on playstyles.

you must be joking

Grotesque Cesti have a higher base DPS on them for MNKs than Taipan +3. They have a low damage, 100% proc on Drain, making them good for Soloing if you don't have VS.

Anyone gearing this instead of twilight torque is dumb.

Twilight Torque is less Physical Damage reduction and has no place in regen builds. Do you even think before you retort?

mathematically proven to be inferior to kewl earrings.

Gives PUP a H2H tier, and it's the best all jobs earring.

I hear THF pull in voidwatch.

ITT: You can only use VW drops in VW. True story.

crit -8% lol

Doesn't matter on non-crit WSes.

I think you pointed the only side grade outside of impetus and only when acc is capped, aka you purposely don't use sushi nor madrigals, and you also need the head piece. All this for 2% damage up maybe, but the fact that real player have 6 songs if they need acc makes it useless. Have your CORs level BRD and farm daurdablas already.

It's for WSes.

I take it you must be a troll as I'm fairly certain someone with that level of...handicap couldn't figure out how to even submit a post, so well played to you sir.

As for people saying some drops are AHable: It doesn't matter. It still comes from the event, so -someone- has to do it for you to get them, and if none are up your only other option is to do the fight yourself.

[Mahoro]

I don't think Pchan is even reading the stats on some of these, he is just talking to talk. He also thinks RDM, SCH, and it seems now COR should be deleted from the game. :P I think if it were up to him, there would only be WAR, MNK, WHM and BLM in the game. His answer to "I want X gear for Y job is to take Z job instead"

[Zagen]

And I don't think WoE is popular because you can come any job and get a chest. I think it's popular because of the rewards.

Rewards? You mean really low chance of getting a new spells/gear? Or the amazing coin drop rate that even when spamming #7 you average less than before the changes?

I did flux 9 4 times last night to try it out and see the drops (coins, spells, etc). I got 0 notable drops (2 coins though). That's 4 hours, can you farm more than 2.5mil gil in 4 hours? Because I can, meaning getting Comet to drop from 9 would have cost me gil not made me gil if I was going there for the rewards, well money rewards.

WoE is easy and requires no real strategy that happens to have drops people want. It isn't the drops themselves but the combination of it being easy and having drops of value to the player base.

[Arcon]

Fajin Boots

Attack-4 Evasion+4 Movement speed +18%


Don't even try to say that these are "situational" or a "sidegrade" because they are a 67% improvement over Strider/Skadi and if you have them you will be wearing them 95% of the time.

Toci's harness

STR+13 DEX+13 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Double Attack"+3% Sphere: Haste+2% Set: "Triple Attack"+3%

Best Mercy Stroke body, period.

Whirlwind Dirs

STR+12 INT-12 "Double Attack"+3%

Best Mercy Stroke legs, period.

You don't get Pimpchan's logic. Why play THF, when you can DD better on WAR? They're just TH whores after all. Why have RDM when you can cure better on WHM? They're just refresh whores after all.

According to him FF runs on only three jobs, with others just boosting those jobs' abilities. He doesn't get why some people even play this game, or games at all.

Either your THF/RNG is only for running around or are horribly geared if 95% of the time you'd be wearing movement gear instead of actual DD relevant feet.

It's because you run around most of the time, sometimes even during battle. Movement speed is one of the most worthwhile investments you can have in this game. Think about how it even changes the gameplay of some jobs. If you get a Novio over Herald's, you don't understand the capabilities of a BLM or SCH. And Novio used to be one of the most expensive items in the game (considering current economy affected almost everything, it probably still is, bar relics and such "upgrade" items).

It saves time, which is a lot in this time sink of a game, but it's also useful for kiting/holding strategies and most importantly, almost never having to cast sneak/invisible (and, as a nice side effect, you get to learn first hand which mobs move at Flee speed.. hello, Manticores).

[MarkovChain]

Fajin Boots

Attack-4 Evasion+4 Movement speed +18%


Don't even try to say that these are "situational" or a "sidegrade" because they are a 67% improvement over Strider/Skadi and if you have them you will be wearing them 95% of the time.

Toci's harness

STR+13 DEX+13 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Double Attack"+3% Sphere: Haste+2% Set: "Triple Attack"+3%

Best Mercy Stroke body, period.

Whirlwind Dirs

STR+12 INT-12 "Double Attack"+3%

Best Mercy Stroke legs, period.

It's too bad that nobody use THF as DD and everyone uses THF as Treasure Hunter whore.

[Mahoro]

Rewards? You mean really low chance of getting a new spells/gear? Or the amazing coin drop rate that even when spamming #7 you average less than before the changes?

I did flux 9 4 times last night to try it out and see the drops (coins, spells, etc). I got 0 notable drops (2 coins though). That's 4 hours, can you farm more than 2.5mil gil in 4 hours? Because I can, meaning getting Comet to drop from 9 would have cost me gil not made me gil if I was going there for the rewards, well money rewards.

WoE is easy and requires no real strategy that happens to have drops people want. It isn't the drops themselves but the combination of it being easy and having drops of value to the player base.

This is getting away from my original point re: the popularity of Voidwatch, but just wanted to say a really low chance of getting new spells/gear obviously isn't stopping WoE's popularity at the moment. Nor does it usually stop people in this game as much as they like to think it does. Just see the years of competition for King Behemoth and some of the soul-crushing drop rates of Sea Torques of yesteryear.

EDIT: I actually agree with your point that people won't stick around to help 1 person get 1500 plates. However, enough people have Emps who can band together to do these fights that I imagine they will be spammed for a long time to come. I imagine those are the same people who wouldn't shy away from an event just because it isn't as "easy" as WoE; after all, I wouldn't call some Emps easy to get. Not to mention VW Part 3 and 4 will probably have additional Heavy Metal Plate sources.

[MarkovChain]

What? MNK can't even Equip Ganesha's Mala.

This neck sucks because quadruple attack is only useful on the first 1 or 2 hits for x builds.

Less than 1% of the Game's population has a Gjallarhorn, and what does Daurdabla have to do with anything? The March+ is awesome and to my knowledge the only other +3 March aside from Gjallarhorn.

Gjalla horn is easy to farm. EASY. And better. Look like your awesome group doesn't have basic gear.

You don't even get why people would want a Tyrant Ring...Rajas is the other finger, and the only good STP alternative is Hoard Ring, which is worse in comparison.

You don't need it for any X build unless your gear is junk.

The Mekira is one of the best Physical damage reduction bodies in the game, and the best for several jobs that can equip it. On top of that, it's good for Torcleaver and HS off the top of my head.

No it's not? PLD body is vastly better.

You're showing a distinct lack of intelligence. Hold on, let me bring 2 Gjallarhorn+Daurdabla BRDs to every single thing I go to do in this game. Soloing/lowmanning be damned.

It's actually use of intelligence, because whenever you bring a brd it should at least be a daurdabla.


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It's the TP reduction, not the enmity down.
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It must be awesome in VW where mob get TP instantly. If you care about TP you don't fee TP.

The knife that gives a 3minute Haste effect upon procing and can be removed after the proc and the effect will remain.

That's why it sucks.

Again you're showing a lack of intelligence. COR has become very popular thanks to Wildfire, buffs actually being needed again, and new rolls. This bullet is head and shoulders above all else.

Nope COR is not popular it's the second least played job in the game. 2% of the population play it.

It's good for all Cure Casting Time builds, and good for enfeeble potency builds, SS builds for something like BRD, and Cure potency for other mages besides WHM. Believe it or not, these mages can contribute to curing and even main heal certain things depending on playstyles.

Cure V is instant and it's the only spell used outside of aby bro. Trying too hard.

Grotesque Cesti have a higher base DPS on them for MNKs than Taipan +3. They have a low damage, 100% proc on Drain, making them good for Soloing if you don't have VS.

No they suck, the DPS is worse than taipan for one because you somehow forget STR and attack (which is the only reason to go after them), and for two I have no idea why you are even comparing this to taipan when empyrean exists and destroys everthing while being duoable. Gogo farming an inferior weapon with 18 persons when you could duo the best weapon. Is that how you plan on recruiting people ?

Twilight Torque is less Physical Damage reduction and has no place in regen builds. Do you even think before you retort?

Correct, and since twilight is inventory saver, and due to the fact that capping PDT is easy, this item is worthless.

Gives PUP a H2H tier, and it's the best all jobs earring.

And ? you have no clue what H2H tier means. When you have 100 base damage 1H2H dmg only is 1%. Their are vastly sperior earring for both jobs. It's a side grade of easir earring. It's a downgrade of attack/regain or acc/regain wotg rewards, which anyone serious about monk shoul have.

Doesn't matter on non-crit WSes.

non crit WS don't matter. SE decided so.

As for people saying some drops are AHable: It doesn't matter. It still comes from the event, so -someone- has to do it for you to get them, and if none are up your only other option is to do the fight yourself.

And ...? It means you cannot use this as a motivation to farm that gear. You mad.