Current Empy 95 Price

[Aramaic]

I mainly skimmed this thread cause frankly didn't want to read all the QQ'ing from people who lowmanned their Empy (Kannagi owners looking at you). But from someone who has an Almace, Ryunohige, Aegis. Yes relics once they adjusted the whole killing blow bull and numbers of mobs were made easier to get to 95 with very good bonuses. Empys easy to get 85, 90 wasn't too bad with a small group.

But the main thing that irk's me is when mythic is listed in here for time spent completing just the 75 i love how just alex is mentioned, just ignore the time I put in doing every assault twice, 100k ampoules in einjer, the 150k tokens in Nyzul. Wasting my linkshells time doing the 3 Beastmen Kings of Toau. Taking a crap ton of zeni pics (SE I hate you for making me use a camera in this game) just to get my 3 triggers, which until last update weren't 100% drop. And heaven forbid you d/c during fight to obtain key item to get mythic so you have to refarm your triggers possibly.

Than once all that was said and done dropping the 30k alex which since salvage lost popularity became a pain the arse to obtain large quantities fast. And yes I know the plate drop rate is horrid. and yes the awesome 90 Mythic which means refarming 3 tier 4 pops which is again a pain since no one does the content. So by far the work for a mythic is 10 times the work for a good usuable empy 90. Just Saying...

[Insaniac]

I don't think anyone disagrees that the Mythic grind is disproportionate. It's in serious need of adjustment but past failures in design are no reason for future failures in design.

[Monchat]

You're so right. Dex adds +0% WS damage on Dancing Edge. If only Dancing Edge had like a 30% Dex WSC or something hmmm.... oh wait.

The discussion was about the critical hit bonus from dex, not the ws mods. I mainly considered the melee damage for one hand in order to compare. For melee damage, 1.5DMG+15 DEX versus 25 attack, I showed that 25 attack is better unless you can reach a high dDEX with it (40~50). On anything worthwhile ( lv 100+ mobs say) I doubt you get anything more than 2~3% crit rate. DEX builds require to sacrifice a lot, you hav a high dDEX most likely on mobs weaker than EP most likely, maybe esceptions.

For WS comparison its even easier since you ask the question. If you use dancing edge it is just 1.5DMG+15*0.3DMG ( more or less 6DMG) versus 25 attack. Here its even worse. I don't remember the precise figures of DEX CHR for today's THF, maybe 150 DEX and 70 lolCHR for WS? I remember having 130 ish at 75. This gives about 55 DMG. Not even considering fSTR yet, you see that this time for WS, 1 DMG is less than 1% increase since your base DMG will be above 100.

So 1.5 DMG+15 DEX=6DMG=less than 6% damage, while 25 attack is >6%. This is for when you main hand the dagger. If its is subhand the difference is even more in favor of kila+3 since sub hand is only one of the 6~8 hits of WS [ soin this case it is 15 dex versus 25 attack for all hits but one].

The exception would be of course if you use eviceration and main hand the dagger. But it will be weaker than dacing edge unless you have a high dDEX already. And if you have a high dDEX, you most likely have high dSTR already too, ie abyssea situation where we know killas arent very good. In an abyssea situation anyway, the +15 DEX on the weapon will not do much either lol, so the discussion is pointeless( 4 DMG versus 25 attack, kila+3 clearly loses). That's what I call situational.

Summary: high dDEX ( weak mobs, abyssea etc) DMG 49 DEX +15 main hand is good. Anything worthwhile or sub hand: no.


Im not saying that this new dagger sucks, saying its sats are totally unimpressing and the only good part is occasionally deals severe damge, which could be good or bad depending on wether it procs often or not... wait and see. it is stored in the "side grade" items for me.

[Concerned4FFxi]

The only complaint I have about plates being 100k each when the market stabilizes is that in my opinion, Mythic is still superior, because its custom to the job its for. So why should empyrean users pay more for theirs than a mythic user will for theirs.

I like the idea of seperating the casual player from the hardcore, SE must have seen the census of empyrean owners and properly corrected it by requireing 1500 plates.

Also, mythic gets occ att 3x by 99, im sure relic will recieve similiar upgrades and perhaps empyrean will get damage 3x in its aftermath. I just think that since empyrean to me isn't as good as a mythic why should it cost 150m, perhaps 75m for a 99 would be more reasonable, by doubling the current plate drop rate. Of course, as with ancient currency the prices have not really diimished as much as one might have thought they would, SE said orginally that prices of currencey would drop because although drop rates where affected the fact that broader access from the remodeled dynamis would flood the market with currencey which would reduce the overall cost of a relic. It seems that not as many people do dynamis or voidwatch, as was intended perhaps? So maybe the concept of doubling the plate drop rate would only affect a few individuals perhaps?

[Return1]

You can't take someone serious if they use "QQ", I can't take someone serious if they're dumb enough to think 3-4 VW fights takes anywhere near 6-12 hours with farming.

The only complaint I have about plates being 100k each when the market stabilizes is that in my opinion, Mythic is still superior, because its custom to the job its for. So why should empyrean users pay more for theirs than a mythic user will for theirs.

the plates will bottom out much lower than 100k each. People are just now figuring out that the Zilart VW paths have a good drop rate on Heavy Metal Pouches, each pouch dropping 4-20 plates. The whiners on this board are too busy QQing and being douches to even use rationality.

[Byrth]

You realize when I estimated "1 plate per person per fight" I was factoring in pouches already, right? Also, the highest plates per pouch reported thus far is 14. It bottoms out lower than Cotton pouches (4 vs. 5), so it might top out lower than them as well. I'd be unsurprised to find it's 4~16 or something instead of 5~20.

When someone shows up and goes, "hey guys, these Zilart Tier 3s have a good drop rate on pouches! We got 3 in 2 fights!" the correct response isn't: "Oh man, 3 in 2 fights? That's awesome!"
The correct response is: "Okay, 3 in 2 fights, average of 10 plates per pouch, 30 plates in 2 fights, 15 plates per fight, 100 Zilart tier 3 fights per 95 Empyrean. Lets look at what's required... Okay, he was using two Aegis and one Ochain Paladins along with 15 other players."

6 Jeuno Tier 3 fights net 25~30 plates.

[Return1]

Cotton purses are 4-20, not 5-20, and I know for a fact pouches give more than 14, as I've seen one give 15. And if you're going to pitch 6 fights = 3 pouches, in the same thread, you can see 3 pouches in 2 fights.

Instead of QQing why do people refuse to wait at least a month after the update?

[Concerned4FFxi]

Yes, i just seen plates in someone's bazaar for 20k each, at this rate its 30m to buy all 1500, not bad by any standard if it gets me to 99 with 3x damage aftermath. Assuming 3x damage will be the 99 aftermath.

Nobody's whinning, its a discussion and as I said if the plates were to bottom out and be 100k then that would be too much and something would need to be done about that because it would be pointless to pay that much for 1500 plates for one empyrean stage.

As I just said in this statement I've now seen them for as low as 20k each, that's 30m, a bit lower than the 75m I was willing to pay but theres always 95-99 stage so we'll see the total cost.

[Byrth]

Wow, you should have bought them and resold for 300~400k.

Out of all the Salvage I've done for my Mythic, I have gotten pouches with:
4 Alexandrite : 0 times
5 Alexandrite : 5 times
6 Alexandrite : 9 times
7 Alexandrite : 3 times
8 Alexandrite : 3 times
9 Alexandrite : 2 times
10 Alexandrite : 7 times
11 Alexandrite : 1 time
12 Alexandrite : 6 times
13 Alexandrite : 2 times
14 Alexandrite : 9 times
15 Alexandrite : 7 times
16 Alexandrite : 7 times
17 Alexandrite : 3 times
18 Alexandrite : 8 times
19 Alexandrite : 5 times
20 Alexandrite : 3 times
21 Alexandrite : 0 times
Average : 12.45 Alexandrite per purse
If it was an even distribution from 5 to 20, predicted average : 12.5 Alexandrite per purse

So yeah, not proof that 4-Alex pouches can't happen, but I don't have it recorded and I don't recall it ever happening in a time I wasn't recording.

[Insaniac]

Yes, i just seen plates in someone's bazaar for 20k each, at this rate its 30m to buy all 1500, not bad by any standard if it gets me to 99 with 3x damage aftermath. Assuming 3x damage will be the 99 aftermath.

Nobody's whinning, its a discussion and as I said if the plates were to bottom out and be 100k then that would be too much and something would need to be done about that because it would be pointless to pay that much for 1500 plates for one empyrean stage.

As I just said in this statement I've now seen them for as low as 20k each, that's 30m, a bit lower than the 75m I was willing to pay but theres always 95-99 stage so we'll see the total cost.

Gotta call poidh on this one.