Current Empy 95 Price

[Return1]

The logic in this thread is awesome.

Its not faster to farm your own plates in a climate where plates are yet to be well circulated and are overpriced by early obtainees to try and make big gil off of the stupidity of the impatient.

Saying retarded crap like that is why all the other boards refer to the official forums as the home of stupidity.

I love how people are complaining about how awful the current EMP 95 upgrade is, but will argue against pooling because everyone is going to really go for it. Newsflash, most people will probably give up from QQ till the price inevitably falls through the floor.

Arcon quit being a complete tool and exaggerating everything. 6hours? If it takes you 6 hours to get 3 VW fights done, you should just quit the freaking game. And people won't team up if you offer some reward of some type? Not true at all. Gil is easy to come by, but most don't farm it. Most people in this game don't have Emp weapons either (and some of us have no need for them), and may be doing VW for the gear/gil from it, and the -GASP- fun of the battles! 5 years for everyone to get theirs? Bullshit, farming and snapping up cheap plates will make it a breeze, especially when the QQers drop out of the race so to speak.

I also love how people go on about how people WON'T do this or that, when there are people in this game that obviously will.

[Arcon]

Its not faster to farm your own plates in a climate where plates are yet to be well circulated and are overpriced by early obtainees to try and make big gil off of the stupidity of the impatient.

There is no fast way at all and there never will be. There isn't even a decent way. Only a retarded way, as of our current knowledge, and that's precisely the problem.

Saying retarded crap like that is why all the other boards refer to the official forums as the home of stupidity.

Have you looked around other forums? They pretty much all say the same thing. As of right now, it's you vs. everyone else.

I love how people are complaining about how awful the current EMP 95 upgrade is, but will argue against pooling because everyone is going to really go for it. Newsflash, most people will probably give up from QQ till the price inevitably falls through the floor.

Not going to happen. The price will always remain high, because people will always wanna go for it. Look at relics. People always wanted to do relics, no matter how impossible it seemed, and that's why the price for coins was always really high. And keep in mind, that this update is needed for Lv99 upgrade, even if this update didn't add much by itself.

Arcon quit being a complete tool and exaggerating everything. 6hours? If it takes you 6 hours to get 3 VW fights done, you should just quit the freaking game.

What you said before didn't make you sound like an elitist prick, but this does. And it's not just the battles, it's everything involved in it, from farming to gathering.

And people won't team up if you offer some reward of some type? Not true at all. Gil is easy to come by, but most don't farm it. Most people in this game don't have Emp weapons either (and some of us have no need for them), and may be doing VW for the gear/gil from it, and the -GASP- fun of the battles! 5 years for everyone to get theirs? Bullshit, farming and snapping up cheap plates will make it a breeze, especially when the QQers drop out of the race so to speak.

Wishful thinking, at best, but probably just ignorant delusions. What gear, what gil? Do you think anyone will still want something from it after a month of doing three battles a night? And, for that matter, do you think the stuff from there will still be worth anything? Except for the plates of course, which everyone will want.

And you keep forgetting that this is all just for one person still. God forbid two people wanna work on their Empyreans. What you say is simply not realistic, not in any way, shape or form. You keep assuming the best of conditions, that you will find people, that everyone will help on every fight, that everyone will get a drop. That is just silly.

[Yugl]

I love how people are complaining about how awful the current EMP 95 upgrade is, but will argue against pooling because everyone is going to really go for it. Newsflash, most people will probably give up from QQ till the price inevitably falls through the floor.

Idk who brought you here, but they need to return you to wherever you were before.

[Insaniac]

Guys, tons of people not motivated enough to have empyreans will for sure be willing to put in 50 times the work of getting their own lvl 90 empyrean just so someone else can go from level 90 to 95. You just need to be really smart and amazing to make it happen. Also all these people will show up on time every night 7 days a week for sure and keep helping after they get the gear they want. You only need charisma.

I didn't know Dallas had an alt with an Apoc.

[Return1]

There is no fast way at all and there never will be. There isn't even a decent way. Only a retarded way, as of our current knowledge, and that's precisely the problem.

Your reading comprehension is weak. I was saying Doing VW and buying was faster than just buying, especially at this point in time.

Not going to happen. The price will always remain high, because people will always wanna go for it. Look at relics. People always wanted to do relics, no matter how impossible it seemed, and that's why the price for coins was always really high. And keep in mind, that this update is needed for Lv99 upgrade, even if this update didn't add much by itself.

People always want to go for Relic type upgrades, but less than 1% of the population had them before, this isn't going to change. People will want it, but most won't get it.

Btw, Relics and coins are a HORRIBLE example for you. Prices on coins have drastically plummeted over the years. I remember when I started Apoc and coins were 30-50k depending on which city they were. Over the course of ~2 years the prices plummeted to 10k-20k a coin, with no adjustments but the amount of circulating coins. In the last year, coins changed from 5-16k to a universal 10k. The dynamis change balanced the cost of the coins so they're about all equal, but the demand grew with the supply.

What you said before didn't make you sound like an elitist prick, but this does. And it's not just the battles, it's everything involved in it, from farming to gathering.

If it takes your group 6 straight hours to farm, gather, and do three short fights, you're borderline too stupid to live let alone do an organized LS event well. No wonder you're in disbelief that people will find workarounds.

Wishful thinking, at best, but probably just ignorant delusions. What gear, what gil? Do you think anyone will still want something from it after a month of doing three battles a night? And, for that matter, do you think the stuff from there will still be worth anything?

The same way I got around not having enough people for one event. I recruited for multiple events, and made a cross event point system. Gil/gear/help from or with other events is the motivation to help with the event you don't care to do otherwise. It's essentially the same as doing Sea for a D.Chap. I know it's insanely hard to comprehend, using rewards from elsewhere in the game to reward people for doing something they need nothing from.

Except for the plates of course, which everyone will want.

WRONG. Holy shit could you be more wrong? Not everyone wants plates. Not everyone will be bothered to get them. Most people don't have base 85 Emps even.

I lot of people argueing against me are saying because people can easily do something without a lses help, but while that's the case, most people don't do it, so your point is moot. Sure anyone can Dual Box a MNK and a WHM and make an Emp of their choice, but far less than 25% of the population actually do. Sure Dynamis farming is amazing gil, too bad most of the population doesn't do it, let alone know how to proc in Dynamis.

And you keep forgetting that this is all just for one person still. God forbid two people wanna work on their Empyreans.

No, it's for everyone, in an order. It's the exact thing as getting in line for any other rare drop in the game, except this drop is made up of 1500 plates instead of Refresh and 15enfeebling magic skill right out of the box. Once one person gets it, the line moves forward. Also, not everyone in the ls is on the list because not everyone cares.

You keep assuming the best of conditions,

Wrong.

Best conditions would include pouches and higher drops on singles.

that you will find people

Finding people is easy, and people have done stupider things in this game than working together to focus on one emp at a time to push them out faster. Hell some extremely large old Endgame LSes on the "higher tiers" used to require you give them your account info and phone numbers and in some cases required you to pay RL money for tools to claim HNMs just to join. That's A LOT dumber than what I'm proposing.

that everyone will help on every fight, that everyone will get a drop. That is just silly.

I never said everyone would participate every fight, but everyone would get some reward, because good leaders find ways to benefit ALL of their members.

Also, we can now add this to the long list of Premature QQs like Nyzul WSes costing over 10,000 WS points to unlock, Abyssea being a flop, Dynamis changes killing currency drop rate and farming, Scrolls being too hard to find, VW being a flop, WoE adjustments killing the event, etc.

Turns out Pouches drop at a rate close to 1 pouch per alliance per 1-2 fights from Zilart path. Pouches also seem to follow the Cotton Purse system so far, 4-20 plates per pouch, an average of 12 plates per pouch going by that, and can drop more than 1 pouch to the alliance per battle.

Lets run the numbers for an alliance, say 5 plates on average per run, 1 pouch every 4 runs (Looks pretty lowball right now), 4 runs a night. Thats an average of ~32 plates a night, so about 47 nights of farming.

That's lowballing the drop rate on pouches, not buying a single plate, and only doing the scheduled runs with your group. a couple hours a night is pretty tame considering what a lot of Emp holders I've seen did to get theirs.

QQ more.

[Arcon]

Garbage

As I said, assuming best of conditions, and worse, you don't even get it. Yes, you do expect everyone to show up, all the time. And even more, you expect them to show up to other events as well. Guess what, you're not looking at 6h/daily now, you're at 12h+. That means this isn't an Empyrean LS anymore, it's a complete event LS oriented solely around VW, if you plan to do daily runs. And suddenly, you assume four runs a night instead of three. And do you think anyone at all who isn't interested in Empyreans is even remotely gonna consider joining that linkshell? Of course you do, that's your oh so delightful glass-half-full point of view.

On a side note, anyone using the term "QQ" is hard to take seriously.

[Insaniac]

I'm curious what other event you think you can use to force people to do voidwatch 7 days a week for points.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I'm curious what group of people are doing VW that can't/won't make an emp other than non Calad Drks, Drgs going for mythic (they won't bother with VW anyway), Mages with no other jobs? We back in 2005?

[Aramaic]

I mainly skimmed this thread cause frankly didn't want to read all the QQ'ing from people who lowmanned their Empy (Kannagi owners looking at you). But from someone who has an Almace, Ryunohige, Aegis. Yes relics once they adjusted the whole killing blow bull and numbers of mobs were made easier to get to 95 with very good bonuses. Empys easy to get 85, 90 wasn't too bad with a small group.

But the main thing that irk's me is when mythic is listed in here for time spent completing just the 75 i love how just alex is mentioned, just ignore the time I put in doing every assault twice, 100k ampoules in einjer, the 150k tokens in Nyzul. Wasting my linkshells time doing the 3 Beastmen Kings of Toau. Taking a crap ton of zeni pics (SE I hate you for making me use a camera in this game) just to get my 3 triggers, which until last update weren't 100% drop. And heaven forbid you d/c during fight to obtain key item to get mythic so you have to refarm your triggers possibly.

Than once all that was said and done dropping the 30k alex which since salvage lost popularity became a pain the arse to obtain large quantities fast. And yes I know the plate drop rate is horrid. and yes the awesome 90 Mythic which means refarming 3 tier 4 pops which is again a pain since no one does the content. So by far the work for a mythic is 10 times the work for a good usuable empy 90. Just Saying...

[Insaniac]

I don't think anyone disagrees that the Mythic grind is disproportionate. It's in serious need of adjustment but past failures in design are no reason for future failures in design.