Current Empy 95 Price

[Byrth]

You're unrealistic. I did 91 -> 95 in GoV and never got a Voiddust. Opening chests takes time, etc.

Basically, you have no argument because even if we accept all of your assumptions you still have a group of 18 people working 100 nights for one person to get a few base damage and 1 stat.

[Zumi]

You're unrealistic. I did 91 -> 95 in GoV and never got a Voiddust. Opening chests takes time, etc.

Basically, you have no argument because even if we accept all of your assumptions you still have a group of 18 people working 100 nights for one person to get a few base damage and 1 stat.

Pretty much the same thing happened during the classic dynamis era. Upgrading 1 persons weapon taking several years. But that was then and this is now. People want goals that are realistically obtainable. Not a huge couple year grind for a minimal damage increase. Stuff like the 1500 plates for 95 empys are more likely to have people say screw it my weapon can stay at level 90 and since I really don't have anything else left to do in FFXI ill just cancel my sub for now.

Having a very long grind isn't the way to keep subscriptions.

[Zagen]

LOL @ 100 nights to get Emp to 95. That's 1,800 nights or almost 5 years... Do you honestly think that's realistic? For a marginal upgrade or the fact this is a step upgrade and not the final version requirement.

Do you honestly believe people will join you in your 5 year journey to get 18 Emps to 95 in a game that is getting content thin updates at best meaning people are more likely to quit before those 5 years?

[Return1]

Where were you farming 91-95? Were you even in a zone with it as a drop? Maybe it's just poor luck on your part, I got nothing but Voiddust in my caskets hunting the Rare and R/EX drops in the original GoV areas. Also, idk how much time it takes you to open chests, but there's going to be at least 1-2 people that can focus on opening them. Farming exp/gil while prepping for the event. You don't even have to cleave either, you can find time to get one long Campaign battle or a Beseiged and not need to farm boxes/cp.

It's 100 nights under minimal conditions, no pouches dropping, without buying a single plate or doing more runs than planned. And don't give me that shit about how it's unreasonable, I've seen a lot of Emp holders mindlessly cleave and spam fight for hours on end for days/weeks straight to get the 85. In comparison a couple hours a night is nothing.

Also, no one even knows if the Emps got hidden boosts like relics and mythics, so a couple damage and a stat isn't a proper summation of the boost yet.

Just noticed: Voiddust is AHable, sells for 1-3k each, lots put up, sell fast. A real bank buster.

[Zagen]

It's 100 nights under minimal conditions, no pouches dropping, without buying a single plate or doing more runs than planned. And don't give me that shit about how it's unreasonable, I've seen a lot of Emp holders mindlessly cleave and spam fight for hours on end for days/weeks straight to get the 85. In comparison a couple hours a night is nothing.

The more runs you plan the more game time must be dedicated to being a farming machine, after all gotta keep those Void Stones in the positive to be able to spam. That sounds like loads of fun that definitely won't lead people to quit your group at some point or the game completely. Say we double the time that's still almost 2 and half years of work for 18 Emps...

Also, no one even knows if the Emps got hidden boosts like relics and mythics, so a couple damage and a stat isn't a proper summation of the boost yet.

You get working on it because if there is no bonus good luck keeping people motivated once this can be tested.

Just noticed: Voiddust is AHable, sells for 1-3k each, lots put up, sell fast. A real bank buster.

Create the demand and that price will rise happily.

[Return1]

ITT:

Plates cost too much gil.

Gil falls like rain and is used for nothing.

Voiddust is hard to comprehend, let alone come by.

Everyone wants an Emp.

You're the only group in the entire game to find HMP.

Worst case scenarios are the only case scenarios.

Pouches are a lie.

There are no hidden boosts to 95 emps.

There will be no 99 Emp that may justify having to deal with a crappy 95 jump.

Heavy Metal Plates, like Comet, Thunder V, Blizzaja, and all the new sellable equipment, will never go down in price.

People will never work together on a weapon that few may get.

Etc.


The fail is strong on these boards.

[Byrth]

No, you're basically an idiot. I could get a relic in a month solo, why should one stage of an Empyrean take 3 months and the work of 17 other people?

[Atomic_Skull]

But let's be honest the chances of that being done by SE are like .00000001%

Sadly yes. The most likely outcome is that 4 years from now SE has an FFXIV with around 30k players on 16 servers that they still adamantly refuse to give up on and a dying, content starved and utterly ruined FFXI with around 50k players crammed into 2 servers who only hang on because of their memories of better times. The rest will have moved on and will never come back to play FFXIV no matter how "good" it becomes because they know that the devs will get bored of working on it in a few years and decide to replace it with something new just like they did with FFXI and try to herd them all into a new game they didn't ask for and don't want by ruining the game they are currently playing to drive them over.

[Atomic_Skull]

I'm pretty sure the intention of the lvl 95 and 99 upgrades are simply bragging rights. Even at 90 an emp is still the best weapon of it's class in the game for most weapons. Hell even 85 emps beat lvl 95 relics in most cases. The whole point is you have an easily upgradable version of the weapon (90) and then you have two additional stages that really make little difference in the weapon's effectiveness that are there just as a status symbol.

They're trying to cater to both the casual and hardcore crowd at the same time with this.

[Arcon]

It's 100 nights under minimal conditions

Wrong, those are optimal conditions. You're completely deluded if you think you'll find 17 people who wanna spend ~6 hours absolutely every single day, no exceptions, for five years to get a Lv95 weapon. It will not happen, ever. If you really believe that, go see a psychiatrist.

The reality is, there will be some LS like back in the relic days, LS that abuse their members to get plates for themselves. However, they will be very rare and very hard to get members, because a) Empyreans are a lot more common, so a lot more people will think about getting it, and b) because there's not much incentive for people to keep doing Voidwatch, all the time.

The only possible way to fix this, is if they add more ways to obtain plates in the next update. But I dread to find out what the next upgrade to Lv99 will be. Knowing SE, probably 5000 plates for Acc+2.