Current Empy 95 Price

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You have a complex of superiority and did not understand that getting an empyrean upgraded has nothing to do with doing voidwatch or being skilled. Just because you do it doesn't mean you have more chance than me at the level 95 empy. It's not enough to kill those NMs just like it was not enough to do salvage for alexandrite. Byrth explained you that you would need 90 fights while each 18 members would give you all their drops. This can't possibly happen as they can sell it and make cash or want to upgrade it themselves. They can also sell it to you but facepalm if you do VW and buy. If you want to farm everything yourself you'll actually need to do 90x18s fights *at least*. I'm not sure if you can build enough stones in on year to get an empy for your whole ally lol.

You can easily get enough stones, you can just buy/farm pouches of Voiddust. See, I can get people to work with me to focus on 1 emp at a time, which in turn will result in more emps completed over time. Not only that, but I can easily come up with a system rewarding for all who participate, it's not like they have to get nothing for help.

I have 28500 Alexandrite that I've collected in the last two months and I still think this trial is bullshit. The supply is low to start with and will get lower when no one cares about Voidwatch anymore. Furthermore, it's entirely dependent on making an alliance to farm incredibly rare sidegrade gear.

It's not like Dynamis, where you can enslave people for years with their dreams of someday owning a RDM AF2 hat and then mentally whitewash it as "people skills" afterwards.

Basically, you appear to have no idea what you're talking about.

If your dynamis LS was enslaving people for years, maybe your ls just sucked. My ls got everyone stuff they wanted and had a simple system to guarantee you knew your place for rewards instead of underhanded asshattery that most crap shells used.

The Supply will go up while demand falls.

Why? Because Voidwatch is just now only half over TOPS since we know there's going to be 4 parts at least to VW. VW is Endgame now. Abyssea is like old Merit PTs and O-hat runs and such, while VW is oldschool kings (but with a better/tiered system). End Game LSes will likely see a new age. This will lead to more plates, supply rises.

The whinier casuals will slowly drop out of the Emp race, meaning less people will be buying plates, demand falls.

The gear is getting better, the drops on gear this update seems to be better, and the fights are intense and fun. The gear progression is essentially the same as the 75 cap days as well. You get most of your good gear from AH and casual events. AF3 is like the new Hauby/Noble's, Dusk, Swift, Turban, O-hat, etc. The new endgame gear won't outright demolish it by the amount that AF3 demolished the previous standard AH/Event gear, just like Homam didn't demolish Dusk.

Things are balancing out, and eventually even Plates will balance out.

[MarkovChain]

You can easily get enough stones, you can just buy/farm pouches of Voiddust. See, I can get people to work with me to focus on 1 emp at a time, which in turn will result in more emps completed over time. Not onlythat, but I can easily come up with a system rewarding for all who participate, it's not like they have to get nothing for help.

No you can't come to any system. The drop system prevents it. You don't control anything that will go to any pool of any party members or their mules. You cannot prove that a member broke a "rule". Worst, the situation is inverted compared to point based systems that you probably used at 75 (that could only result in chaos and anger). Because the new member is NOT the one that is needing the LS to farm him his gear. It's the other way around. The leader is needing this member so that he would give him his plates. Lastly your voiddust argument will quickly go to trash when you realize people are not willing to spend their one CP/IS/whatever for you. Because let's be honest. Your idea is to farm the empy for the leader first, and anyone that has played this game more than one year knows how this all ends. The system is designed to be like this anyway. It's a good event for LSs that want to build cash probably (not sure why though). I think it's targetting a lot of people, those that can't make say 1 million in one evening. It definitely not a way to achieve a level 95 empyrean.

*IF* your 18 members are 100% certain to average 1 stone per run, that is 1 stone = 1 plate => 1500 stones spent and you get an empy for each members. 1 person will get 365*3=1095 stones per year which means out of 18 members in your ally, only 12 will get an empy in one year, and that is with a drop system that is a million time better that what we know as of today.

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Lastly your voiddust argument will quickly go to trash when you realize people are not willing to spend their one CP/IS/whatever for you. Because let's be honest. Your idea is to farm the empy for the leader first, and anyone that has played this game more than one year knows how this all ends.

Bolded the wrong.

I have no emp myself as stated before, so I don't think it'd be leader first, which is the smart way to go about it.

No you can't come to any system. The drop system prevents it. You don't control anything that will go to any pool of any party members or their mules.

Doesn't matter, I can come up with a crossevent system that rewards cooperation throughout multiple events, just like old Endgame shells. That and gil is universal. You act like you're just taking the plates from people with no form of reward.

the new member is NOT the one that is needing the LS to farm him his gear. It's the other way around. The leader is needing this member so that he would give him his plates.

As a fairly successful LS leader in the past, let me tell you something. You have it ass backwards. The Leaders always needed members more.

On top of that, the smartest way to get what you want as a leader is to get others what they want, which is why a smart leader wouldn't make himself the first in line for the first Emp upgrade in this situation in particular. Once a system is established and succeeds, a group's support grows, and you get more to follow along. As long as you're on top of weeding out greedy assholes and shit-stirrers, you can easily keep the group together. Once the first Emp was completed, people will easily conform to getting another, and then another.

By the way, you can arrange events to farm CP/AN for Voiddust, such as book burns or Icelands campaigns, then stockpile seals for KSNM/HKNM, using the payouts/drops as rewards for cooperating in VW. As long as you can imagine a system and have a core group of friends, you can make it happen in this game.

[MarkovChain]

Doesn't matter, I can come up with a crossevent system that rewards cooperation throughout multiple events, just like old Endgame shells. That and gil is universal. You act like you're just taking the plates from people with no form of reward.

Except voidwatch, the entire game is duoable. Gil rains from everywhere and is not used for anything. You don't have anything to offer to your member except their chance at their level 95 empy. You will be teaming up with a cluster of level-95-maxed-gear-level-90-empy-players, aka people that already have better gear than you (you, the apocalypse user lol).

CP/AN for Voiddust, such as book burns or Icelands campaigns, then stockpile seals for KSNM/HKNM, using the payouts/drops as rewards for cooperating in VW

No you can't force your 18 members to farm 300k exp so that you can have 100 more stones. Lol@ seal & CP farming. You do realise that BCNM are the worst possible gil farming method for one and that CP farming is completely inefficient compared to , say, bringing a mule lol.

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even if you buy voiddust .. or whatever , did you take into account the time lol? 30mn per fight is a lower estimate if you take gathering into account. Also your 18 man allaince will not run every day, doing 10 fights for 1 year.

By the way, you can arrange events to farm CP/AN for Voiddust, such as book burns or Icelands campaigns, then stockpile seals for KSNM/HKNM, using the payouts/drops as rewards for cooperating in VW. As long as you can imagine a system and have a core group of friends, you can make it happen in this game.

Hm anyone who would do that is a noob. You dont need an LS to do KSNM. As far as I heard they are 3 manable at most NP like the 90 cap ones. Also only newbs think doing KSNMs is good for money. We all know the drop rates are not high enough and dynamis farmig is #1 by far. The only reason I did KSNM is because the drops werent on the AH ( calmecac leggings). I think you are full of yourself because you have an appocalypse ( its not impressing man) and can kill voidwatch NMs ( VW is not hard man, just needs 18 people).

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Except voidwatch, the entire game is duoable. Gil rains from everywhere and is not used for anything. You don't have anything to offer to your member except their chance at their level 95 empy. You will be teaming up with a cluster of level-95-maxed-gear-level-90-empy-players, aka people that already have better gear than you (you, the apocalypse user lol).

Sorry you didn't get the memo bro, but Apocalypse is DRK's best weapon by far.

Also, I love how people complain about gil being worthless and raining from the sky, but it's unbelievable to buy plates, make up your damn minds.

No you can't force your 18 members to farm 300k exp so that you can have 100 more stones. Lol@ seal & CP farming. You do realise that BCNM are the worst possible gil farming method for one and that CP farming is completely inefficient compared to , say, bringing a mule lol.

1) BCNM right now are passable gil, but stockpiling seals to spam sell BB items, and make money off of something most just store or toss is called smart.

2) You don't have to get all the voiddust from CP, you can go cleave in Bostaunieux Oubliette and find them fast as hell in Brown caskets.

3) Not everyone has a mule.

even if you buy voiddust .. or whatever , did you take into account the time lol? 30mn per fight is a lower estimate if you take gathering into account. Also your 18 man allaince will not run every day, doing 10 fights for 1 year.

If we averaged it out to 5 plates a fight, 3 fights a night, and went nightly, that would just be 100 nights for 1 emp. Also, you're not considering more than 1 alliance, the Pouches (1-12 plates), the real drop rate, any tricks that may be announced to influence drop rates, or buying plates outside of runs.

But go on, keep trying to invalidating my argument by picturing me as an elitist who thinks Apocalypse is impressive or VW is hard. If I got an Apocalypse, it's easily in reach of others. VW in itself is challenging, especially the ones where you need people who can follow instructions better than an ADHD, crack-fueled dachshund. The hardest part about VW is finding non-retards to consistently do runs with.

Also, while Dynamis is easily a top 3 gil producer, not everyone does it. People are lazy and/or stupid. This is why I made tens of millions selling distilled water stacks on the Sandy AH back in the day.

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If we averaged it out to 5 plates a fight, 3 fights a night, and went nightly, that would just be 100 nights for 1 emp. Also, you're not considering more than 1 alliance, the Pouches (1-12 plates), the real drop rate, any tricks that may be announced to influence drop rates, or buying plates outside of runs.

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Voidstone

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http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Voiddust

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So you're going to buy half your stones for 2k AN, IS, etc. and you have 17 friends willing to do the same so that one person can upgrade one Empyrean in 100 nights?

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ITT: People Can't/Don't read.

2) You don't have to get all the voiddust from CP, you can go cleave in Bostaunieux Oubliette and find them fast as hell in Brown caskets.