Ochain trials... why?

[Kimjongil]

Ochain has hardly any benefit from being upgraded past 90. Aegis is not only easier and cheaper to upgrade but breaks a Damage Taken cap in a way no other gear in the game does for that damage type, making it insanely powerful, any upgrade to that effect only makes it more powerful, and it can get to the point of practically negating all magic damage. BRDs upgrade because of an additional song for doing so, not the duration, and the duration is the same benefit practically as what Ochain gives, a small benefit which helps but is not anywhere near the millions or hundreds of millions required to upgrade it to 99. Ochain literally gives you a whole 10% more MP per block, a great boon for the shield, not worth the cost, and that is the only change from 90 to 99. There are no 119 upgrades, if there were, you would see a lot more people going for plates to upgrade their Ochain, till then, 10% extra MP from blocks will not come close to being worth it.

I agree with you t has little benefit, same for 119 empy staff. Heck AA taru staff owns 119 empy. But the sad point is a lvl 90 shield is better than any shield 29 lvls higher than it and pld cry to make it.

[Martel]

I agree with you t has little benefit, same for 119 empy staff. Heck AA taru staff owns 119 empy. But the sad point is a lvl 90 shield is better than any shield 29 lvls higher than it and pld cry to make it.

The clear solution is to add 119 a upgrade to Ochain. XD The pained howls of PLDs everywhere who suddenly MUST get 1500 plates and then 60 dross echo across vana'diel. Mine included, lol.

But if the upgrade included any increase in block dmg- or skill+ then I'd jump right on board. And if it didn't, nothing would have changed, and only PLDs with nothing left to make would upgrade it.

[dasva]

The clear solution is to add 119 a upgrade to Ochain. XD The pained howls of PLDs everywhere who suddenly MUST get 1500 plates and then 60 dross echo across vana'diel. Mine included, lol.

But if the upgrade included any increase in block dmg- or skill+ then I'd jump right on board. And if it didn't, nothing would have changed, and only PLDs with nothing left to make would upgrade it.

Well if it goes like the 95 and 99 upgrades go the changes will be +40 vit and 45% dmg converted to mp. <.<.

Not that I want to have to retrial but I seriously don't understand why, now especially with things attack for 600 base dmg and uncapping block rates on ochain, that ochain and aegis both didn't gain any block rate or defense as you trialed them up. I mean I remember them saying before how Ochain was effectively ilvl 150 or something but a 117 shield already comes rather close. So that doesn't really seem to fit. Sounds like really it will be trumped next ilvl increase.

[FaeQueenCory]

The clear solution is to add 119 a upgrade to Ochain. XD The pained howls of PLDs everywhere who suddenly MUST get 1500 plates and then 60 dross echo across vana'diel. Mine included, lol.

But if the upgrade included any increase in block dmg- or skill+ then I'd jump right on board. And if it didn't, nothing would have changed, and only PLDs with nothing left to make would upgrade it.

So true... even if it was a thing to 119 Ochain and Aegis... given the iLvfication of the other REMs... the only benefit from iLving them would be more fake skills.
Cause pretty much only SMN's Mythic got a real change in potency from the iLvs: +2 levels, +40MAB>>>+40%BPdmg
And given the hidden effects on both, the fake skill isn't really worth anything.... because it's kinda redundant.

Well if it goes like the 95 and 99 upgrades go the changes will be +40 vit and 45% dmg converted to mp. <.<.

It's more likely that would they do this... the stat buffs will remain unchanged... just fake skill and other iLv bloat would be added. (though in the case of shield, just +shield skill)
Just like all the nonNirvana REMs.

Not that I want to have to retrial but I seriously don't understand why, now especially with things attack for 600 base dmg and uncapping block rates on ochain, that ochain and aegis both didn't gain any block rate or defense as you trialed them up. I mean I remember them saying before how Ochain was effectively ilvl 150 or something but a 117 shield already comes rather close. So that doesn't really seem to fit. Sounds like really it will be trumped next ilvl increase.

Heck, I've gotten Ochain level block rates with Beautific. Sure for less DR... but still, a 113 shield with 113 level skill bonus and a visible effect that mimics the hidden effect of a supposed "150" level shield...
I've never believed the "ochain is 150" arguments people make.... because I believe it stems from a critical understanding failure:
"ochain has the block rate of a iLv150 shield" =/= "ochain is iLv150"

And like I mentioned previously.... which you substantiate, Dasva, high levels of shield skill that comes from iLv shields becomes redundant when combined with the hidden effects of Aegis and Ochain. (which is most readily apparent on a lower iLv shield with less shield skill and the visible effect: beautific.... the 119 Beautific is gonna be sick.)