Dancer Suggestions: Round II

[Asymptotic]

You don't find that it's weird we invite a job just for one trait for him/her to just tag a mob, get enmity and stay away from AoE spam? Does TH even work in current endgame like WoE and VW?

*sigh* I give up, you're not taking my whole post in context and just snipping out one statement out of it.

I know it's not your problem what happens to THF if any of these ideas are implemented. If you somehow do end up getting hired that will be your problem down the line.

I also have THF. and I've put a considerable amount of work into it, so, actually, I do kind of care what happens to THF. I just don't see any problem with THF currently. It has a lot of playability solo, it works well in small events, and has a role in every endgame event not named Voidwatch (TH doesn't work properly in VW). The enhancement to Bully is nice, but it wasn't really needed. Like it or not, TH is such a powerful ability that I'd dare say it's more broken than any of the ridiculously broken Empyrean weapons (Ukko's WARs, I'm looking at you). There is absolutely NO other ability in FFXI that boosts gear acquisition efficiency in the same manner as Treasure Hunter. I don't care how pimp your DDs are with their awesome DD abilities and their awesome DD weapons and I don't care how pimp your WHMs are or your BLMs with their 9999 dmg nukes .... none of that will make you more efficient than having to kill the NM half as many times to get everyone their drops. I'm compiling a similar suggestion list for THF, but it's very hard to not tip the balance for THF because it's already a very powerful job (even if you're just running in to proc TH and run out).
Still,this isn't a THF thread, and helping THF isn't going to come from balancing it vs. DNC, because like I said, it would be like Balancing RNG vs. COR.

[Byrth]

The problem with arguing THF = TH = "always good" is that TH2 can be subbed and TH3+ have questionable value.

That said, I don't see why DNC and THF would fight for seventh place in the DD hierarchy. Both using daggers doesn't mean you have to compare them.

[Asymptotic]

It's questionable value for which people are willing to sacrifice a slot and alter their playing strategy. A better chance at an item is a better chance at an item.

DNC currently has nothing to offer that another job can't do 150% better. There's no reason to bring a DNC to most events (read: not old content) unless that DNC is me, because I'm militant about it and have a hissy fit if I have to change jobs.

[Soranika]

Aren't THF and DNC roles very different though? A THF's major (and usually only) purpose was outlined to be about increasing item drops. DNC's role was to offer front line DD support through means of healing and debuffing. So as dagger wielding aside, DNC were naturally suppose to have more physical prowess.

DNC fell short 76+ because the support angle of the job stop being SE's concern because apparently doing something with waltzes would step on the toes of WHM. Increase debuff potential through steps would step on RDM toes, who are still having much infighting about their place on the frontlines vs master mage of enfeeblers. Even as a amateur DNC, I don't see the purpose in increasing DNC DD potential anymore. The role isn't to compete other DD jobs but to support them and to do that, DNC does need to shine in supporting and screw who's toes DNC might step on. Not asking to take over their role, but seriously make them good at what they're suppose to do.

[Asymptotic]

Yeah, DNC doesn't really need DD enhancements. I still support the "Glissade" ability to string flourishes together, but to be honest I'm actually surprised we don't already have that. It would be a moderate increase to damage output considering that it could be used on Flourishes III and to make solo skillchains stronger, but it has other uses as well.

As a DNC, I want to be able to enable my party to deal more damage. As it stands we almost hinder it.

[FrankReynolds]

nobody ever asks me to switch from thief to dancer, or vice versa. Its always "Can you come BLM/BRD? or WHM?"

[Byrth]

Oh, I guess I should have said this earlier, but Ternary, Climactic, Striking, and Sneak Attack all share the same slot so multiple ones can't be active at the same time.

[Soranika]

nobody ever asks me to switch from thief to dancer, or vice versa. Its always "Can you come BLM/BRD? or WHM?"

If you're trying to ensure yellow drops like seals and +2 stuff, then of course NIN, BLU, BLM/BRD, and WHM will always be considered. But to increase those drops, a THF is still needed. The issue with the drops is usually who gets what, some one would be left out.... unless people in the group might be helping a friend and don't need anything.

[Asymptotic]

Oh, I guess I should have said this earlier, but Ternary, Climactic, Striking, and Sneak Attack all share the same slot so multiple ones can't be active at the same time.

That couldn't be too horrible of a thing to fix.

Edit: inb4 they do split them into stackable statuses and we get a glitch along the lines of the undead cure thing~

[FrankReynolds]

If you're trying to ensure yellow drops like seals and +2 stuff, then of course NIN, BLU, BLM/BRD, and WHM will always be considered. But to increase those drops, a THF is still needed. The issue with the drops is usually who gets what, some one would be left out.... unless people in the group might be helping a friend and don't need anything.

WHM/THF ( or any of the other party members /thf) will yield the same results without needing another person. Really, if anyone in the group can sub thf, then you don't need the thf.