new blm spells

[Vortex]

According to one of Asura's local mouthbreathers, pots in Sky.

My response was "Come on, make it believable. If they dropped off pots, it'd be the Sentient Carafes in Fei'Yin."

I'v fought those for half a day and nothing of value drops off them, of course there is always that low drop rate chance but i'v fought maybe 30 of them and nothing, probably not from them.

[Runespider]

SE just annoying players for absolutely no reason at all. The spells listed they haven't done in years, it's like expecting them to suddenly throw new cor die into bcnms even though you can buy pretty much..most if not all of them from Nash or Zahbi, that's the thing, it's not the fact it's moved to a BCNM or whatever, it's the fact there was no reason to do as such with basic spell progression. Comet I can understand if it completely changes the job like Phalanx and Refresh did, but it doesn't, it's only a novelty spell in the end which I guess is why they did it.

Main thing all this shows to me is the influence again of Tanaka and that the game is now firmly moving back to the old ways, rare drops in very limited supply to make sure not everyone will get them. Scrolls and armors are first but endgame will slowly start to shift back to the minority too, I can even now see HNM with disgustingly long windows making a comeback under this new leadership. I laughed at the 1500 plate emp upgrades with minor enhancments too.

FFXI all open access is slowly being phased out, i'm not sure how I feel about the game going back to old ways but I know most people are going to baulk at the game going back to the tiny minory having access to a lot of things, for instance it just used tobe accepted that most people would never ever get certain items...but i'm not sure that will go across well with how they have run XI for the past few years. Also yes I know these BCNM aren't that hard but it is definately a sign of a change in direction for FFXI.

[Sparthos]

Main thing all this shows to me is the influence again of Tanaka and that the game is now firmly moving back to the old ways, rare drops in very limited supply to make sure not everyone will get them. Scrolls and armors are first but endgame will slowly start to shift back to the minority too, I can even now see HNM with disgustingly long windows making a comeback under this new leadership. I laughed at the 1500 plate emp upgrades with minor enhancments too.

FFXI all open access is slowly being phased out, i'm not sure how I feel about the game going back to old ways but I know most people are going to baulk at the game going back to the tiny minory having access to a lot of things, for instance it just used tobe accepted that most people would never ever get certain items...but i'm not sure that will go across well with how they have run XI for the past few years. Also yes I know these BCNM aren't that hard but it is definately a sign of a change in direction for FFXI.

I don't particularly disagree with all of your points but what exactly did people want with these scrolls? A hand out? Then what? Boredom?

If you can do everything in a day, the game becomes a joke. Now sure, the scrolls are being overpriced right now because people are stuck in infinite laziness mode and any modicum of effort is apparently too much to ask but how about putting in the slightest effort before complaining? People are sitting on mountains of kindred crests and what better way for SE to cut down the supply?

As more people do WoE, Voidwatch and KCNMs the price will fall and eventually these scrolls will go into healthy supply when the initial rush is over. All I see in many of the whining posts are people spoonfed on Abyssea to the point where even grouping up with some people or trying new content is just too much.

[Hayward]

I don't particularly disagree with all of your points but what exactly did people want with these scrolls? A hand out? Then what? Boredom?

If you can do everything in a day, the game becomes a joke. Now sure, the scrolls are being overpriced right now because people are stuck in infinite laziness mode and any modicum of effort is apparently too much to ask but how about putting in the slightest effort before complaining? People are sitting on mountains of kindred crests and what better way for SE to cut down the supply?

As more people do WoE, Voidwatch and KCNMs the price will fall and eventually these scrolls will go into healthy supply when the initial rush is over. All I see in many of the whining posts are people spoonfed on Abyssea to the point where even grouping up with some people or trying new content is just too much.

[Comment deleted by Moderator]. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

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I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

[Mahoro]

That BG narrative doesn't fly here. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

As said above, the scrolls have been confirmed to drop from multiple sources. As with all new items, the prices will tank soon enough. Dismissing someone as having BG mentality for suggesting that someone who wants the scrolls early should just go out and DO THE CONTENT from which they drop is overly reductionist, inflammatory, and illogical to boot.

[InspectorGadget]

That BG narrative doesn't fly here. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

The same members of that charming society known as BlueGartr who spout this nonsense about "lazy" players are probably the same folks who have endorsed and used every exploit in the book, past and present, to preserve their "elite" status for the least amount of effort.

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

Pretty much this.

[Greatguardian]

Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

If someone is willing to pay 8M for a scroll, someone will sell it for 8M. If someone is not, they will have to lower their price. Capitalism 101.

Even you could probably beat these HKCNMs, Hayward. They're that easy.

[Twille]

I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

I'd like to echo this statement. This game pre-Abyssea was a joke. Insane amounts of time and work for very little reward. Abyssea allowed more casual players to work towards a goal and achieve that goal without extreme amounts of time involved.
The old way wasn't working, FFXI subscription numbers prove that. I really hope they don't take things backwards to pre-Abyssea mind sets....

[Sparthos]

[Comment deleted by Moderator]. Saying people are "lazy" for wanting these scrolls to be readily available for reasonable prices doesn't make it the case. From what I've read. no one on these threads is suggesting any such thing. Mages/Bards/Ninja will need these spells, and restricting access to them (i.e. artificially limiting their supply) only encourages ne'er-do-wells to jack up prices to near-astronomical levels. That is wrong and you know it. Can anyone really justify posting any kind of scroll for 8 million gil without sounding like an absolute tool (or a Libertarian. You make the call)?

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I'm also leery of the direction S-E is taking post-Abyssea. They seem to be bound and determined to make the same mistakes they made in 2005-6 where it concerns artificial rarity of vital spells.

Ad hominem some more.

It's been a whole two days since the patch and you're flailing about because the scrolls arent on an NPC for a low price. Classic whining if I ever saw it.

Like I said before, the prices will crater when people discover the sources, exploit the sources for other treasure and get BLM/BRD/NIN/DRK and WHM scrolls as a byproduct. Before you know it, the scrolls drop from millions to just a couple hundred K or less. It's like Christmas magic or something.

If you want the scrolls so bad, I suggest exploiting those sources or sitting back and waiting. Only suckers buy new items post-patch and anyone who has played XI for any period of time knows that those prices will even off when the initial hype dies off.

For someone who claims to champion the cause of casuals, you're pretty dense regarding the potential for the "layman" to make millions off an idiotic rich player willing to pay a king's ransom to epeen the first sale of a new item.

Post-patch has always been the best time for casual players to rake in tons of cash with little effort so I fail to see your connection between these scrolls and BG. You're seriously drifting towards tinfoil hat territory.

Unless you're calling all casual players lazy sods with no friends or resources to beat KCNMs. That'd be quite a stretch on your part, wouldn't it?

[noodles355]

Don't pots drop Thunder IV, not thunder V? Also someone paid 8 mil for thunder V on asura.