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[Soranika]

You missed the point entirely...

[Dallas]

Why compare yourself to BLM at all? Even WAR is a better analogy.

[Zemarin]

Why are we able to summon the gods of vana'diel and still suffer as third rate magic DD. D:

Cause in every previous Final Fantasy the Summons Played the most important/gamebreakingly part of the game, so SE decided for this game they dont want that. Now that this game has veered off its 75 cap course the devs decided it would be best to turn smn into an elemental (magic) based entity.

But to be fair most game that feature blm/wizards/whatever... they always do the most Magic Damage especially in AoE... so for it to not be true in this game would be breaking the laws of MMORPGS.

In a simple statement Summoner's lack luster because of lack of depth in their summons, no summon plays a particular role or gives much advantage over the next or have situations where one would be more useful than the other, except for their element. Their normal attacks are all slow all do the same boring blunt dmg.. Only difference is the BP which can only be used once ever so often. And avatars (in this game) are no Gods. Smn's only con is their damage is essentially hateless, therefore you can expect them to never put out high damage ever.

Why compare yourself to BLM at all? Even WAR is a better analogy.

Cause BLM and Summoner are both mages, that use MP to do magic damage/magical support regardless of whether if BP are physical damage. Blue spells do physical damage and are still spells they are still Magic and still cost MP. The fact that it costs MP to do what would be consider burst Damage makes smn a mage... not a "melee"

War is nothing like smn and smn is nothing like war. a Bst has mor in common with war then a smn can ever hope... It would make sense if summoner did High single target dmg and blm high AoE dmg, but summoners don't even do that.

[Dallas]

Sorry, but if you want to be a mage, you picked the wrong job. Only ONE of your "spells" deals damage. It's only usable as a 2-hour.

[Razushu]

Sorry, but if you want to be a mage, you picked the wrong job. Only ONE of your "spells" deals damage. It's only usable as a 2-hour.

And if you wanted to be WAR(like you clearly do Ukon jealous is an ugly thing), you're definitely on the wrong job. Lets see, physical weakness? Check. Cloth Armour? Check. Mage job traits? Check. Mage weapon? Check. Oh yeah we're definitely not a mage.

SMN is much more easily compared to BLM, we share alot of traits and gear/weapon types.

[Soranika]

And this is the reason why I didn't respond to this comparison to a war comment. ~_~ Would be better comparing to other pet jobs (DRG, BST, and PUP) which all are competent at both maintaining their pets and being on the front lines if needed. Last I remember summoners all across the series have been considered mage by class and equipment, SMN here are no difference.

[Dallas]

Of course it is smarter to compare pet jobs. BLM isn't a pet job so clearly we can drop all pretense of smart. SMN uses abilities and melee damage, so BLM is the stupidest choice for comparison.

[Soranika]

Better =/= Smarter. Just because several of our blood pacts deal physical damage does not escape the fact that avatars are magical entities and these attacks are fueled by our MP. What about our merited blood pacts and our other blood pacts with additional effects? The vast difference between SMN and other pet jobs is that BST, PUP, and DRK are melee in nature with pet as their extensions. It doesn't matter how you play SMN, SMN is not by any means a melee job and can't be compared to them.

Have you taken the time to notice that many of same pieces BLM, as well as several other mage jobs, equip the very same equipment. What specific equipment do SMN share with BST, PUP, and DRK? Herder's Subligar... and what else?

[Dallas]

Yes, in fact I did notice a lot of gear that is a waste of space for SMN, that's why i recommended the stats now on the moepapa stone. Wear all the magic attack you want. The best you can hope to be is half a melee pet job and not an ounce BLM.

Be the best you can be. Shoot for the dirt!

[Vortex]

It is not possible for smn to be "half" or any sort of a "meele" at all what are you not understanding? SMN is a "mage" just because they have a staff does not make them a meele, Pets doing "physcial" damage is not claissifed as "meele"

when SMN has No MP they can't do ANYTHING.