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  1. #21
    Player Daniel_Hatcher's Avatar
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    Alvian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikashi View Post
    Why would you want just a bonus to MP cost reduction? So we'll have casting speed that may potentially rival a RDM. That's something that's going to let us do our job in parties that much better.
    Because I've always been of the opinion speed at casting was RDM's (due to no Double-Cast JA) niche, and MP Cost/Control was SCH's.
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    Player Merton9999's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    Because I've always been of the opinion speed at casting was RDM's (due to no Double-Cast JA) niche, and MP Cost/Control was SCH's.
    To some extent I agree. But with the recent additions of Divine Benison, Elemental Celerity, FC cap removal and Spontaneity, I think SCH is due for some sort of casting time reduction. When it comes to what a job does most, WHM BLM and RDM are way ahead of SCH in terms of casting speed in their respective disciplines. I fully support them being ahead in those categories, but the gap is too big now imo. A boost to 15% under the right arts would simple, welcome, and wouldn't bring us to their level.

    To put something else out there, I'd be just as happy with the LA and DA adjustments reducing the penalty for the opposite art from 20% to 10%. I actually do play SCH a lot for LS events inside and outside Aby and don't often fit myself into one role as much as the grimoire limitations would have us. I know that's part of the job in some way, but new end game events offer much less of a chance to dedicate ourselves to one role. If I'm going to be almost as good as my WHM when dedicated to healing and almost as good as my BLM when dedicated to nuking, I'd like to move a bit closer to being able to fill both roles at once to compensate for the almost. Our compensation used to be MP efficiency and enough damage prevention that we could afford to switch arts. Who knows if we'll get those back in the majority of coming end game. If we don't, I'd ask for the "fill both roles at once almost as well" ability through reduced opposing arts penalties.
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    Player Nikashi's Avatar
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    Even if our Fast Cast from Light/Dark Arts is close to a RDM's, we still wouldn't be taking away from where they shine as enfeeblers and enhancers. And we've still got 96-99 to look at, too. RDM might get another Fast Cast tier or may even already have one going up from 90 to 95. And who knows? Maybe SE will give them something similar to Doublecast in future updates. I think that even if our native Fast Cast is raised, we won't be stepping on anyone's toes.
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    Player Nawesemo's Avatar
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    almost is good enough, you sch's don't understand how well you got it.

    as it stands now we hate blu mages just a bit more than you all (I sub the crap out of your job).

    -signed the blms.
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    In our wake will be smoke fire and burnt charred remains of those that have fell before us, We will not remember their names, as they are no more, the next challenge, the next horizon is what we strive for and Demand it be met with Ferocity, We Grin at the Possibility of death, Fear no Mob that walks Vana'diel or it's Realms, there is no tomorrow, there is only now, For pride, for honor, for Glory We are The Knights of Pegasus.

  5. #25
    Player Daniel_Hatcher's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikashi View Post
    Even if our Fast Cast from Light/Dark Arts is close to a RDM's, we still wouldn't be taking away from where they shine as enfeeblers and enhancers. And we've still got 96-99 to look at, too. RDM might get another Fast Cast tier or may even already have one going up from 90 to 95. And who knows? Maybe SE will give them something similar to Doublecast in future updates. I think that even if our native Fast Cast is raised, we won't be stepping on anyone's toes.
    Actually as it stands Fast Cast is all RDM actually has, I also think SCH has been stepping on BLM's toes for a very long time, and before Abyssea WHM's as well, and I say this as someone who plays as a SCH.
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    Player Scuro's Avatar
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    I'm more dissapointed that Kaustra isn't an AoE as promised from the videos, now perhaps that was changed, but when I used it in the intention of a burn party, and only hit one target, which put it to a quarter of health /BLM, Klimaform, Ebullience, and Hailstorm.... I was disappoint. At that point it might as well just be a normal spell that consumes 20% of MP, which for the record doesn't consume 20% of Max MP making it like a Max MP down as I thought, its just 20% of current MP giving no MP Down Status.... Big confusion there that had me raging for a while, but I'm happy at that at least.
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    99 BLU,PLD,SCH,RNG,NIN,BST,SMN,THF,BLM,WHM... Any questions..?

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    Frejan
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    Psst...

    I hear we have this little nifty Stratagem called "Manifestation". It works with Kaustra, and, you know, you're in Tabula Rasa, don't hesitate on using it.
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    Last edited by TimeMage; 09-26-2011 at 03:51 AM. Reason: grammar
    Frejan from Ragnarok, at your service.

  8. #28
    Player Merton9999's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuro View Post
    I'm more dissapointed that Kaustra isn't an AoE as promised from the videos, now perhaps that was changed, but when I used it in the intention of a burn party, and only hit one target, which put it to a quarter of health /BLM, Klimaform, Ebullience, and Hailstorm.... I was disappoint. At that point it might as well just be a normal spell that consumes 20% of MP, which for the record doesn't consume 20% of Max MP making it like a Max MP down as I thought, its just 20% of current MP giving no MP Down Status.... Big confusion there that had me raging for a while, but I'm happy at that at least.
    Yeah I'm not sure what you mean. Manifestation works as expected with Kaustra, and there's no reason for Kaustra to be naturally AOE without Manifestation since the strategem is free when Kaustra is usable.
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  9. #29
    Player Ank's Avatar
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    Erinael
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    there's no reason for Kaustra to be naturally AOE without Manifestation since the strategem is free when Kaustra is usable.
    Also the fact that they outright said it would be single target, kind of like how we already knew everything the original post was complaining about. Weird.

    I'm kind of disappointed with its aoe dmg so far though, but I haven't played with it a lot yet.
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    Player Raksha's Avatar
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    Raksha
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    Lakshmi
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    SCH Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Scuro View Post
    I'm more dissapointed that Kaustra isn't an AoE as promised from the videos, now perhaps that was changed, but when I used it in the intention of a burn party, and only hit one target, which put it to a quarter of health /BLM, Klimaform, Ebullience, and Hailstorm.... I was disappoint. At that point it might as well just be a normal spell that consumes 20% of MP, which for the record doesn't consume 20% of Max MP making it like a Max MP down as I thought, its just 20% of current MP giving no MP Down Status.... Big confusion there that had me raging for a while, but I'm happy at that at least.
    Shoulda used Voidstorm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Landsoul View Post
    >Twilight Scythe is overpowered that's why we're nerfing it
    >Weapons with double damage compared to relic

    LOGIC.
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    \m/ (*.*) \m/ "THIS SOLUTION IS THE MOST METAL!" \m/ (*.*) \m/

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