Inconsiderate!

[Zatias]

You have 6 people at a gigas NM to collect KI for Briareus, and a nin comes out of nowhere and pops one for himself. This, I consider as blatantly rude and inconsiderate.

I find this inconsiderate as well. If they only had one KI NM to pop, they could have asked if they could pop it, and usually the group is happy to proc it so the soloist will get the hell out ;P Because we all know the majority of solo players will cost you 3-5 NM pops worth of time.

[Meyi]

I think it's rude, yes.

[Yinnyth]

If the zone is Jeuno, there's only 4 safe camps, and only 1 of those camps has a decent supply of NMs (for hundos). That is of course assuming you-... oh wait, my bad, this discussion has been completely derailed and is no longer about Dynamis. I'll just be on my way.

[Zatias]

Meh, and the thread had just started getting back on track around the time of my last post ; ;

If the zone is Jeuno, there's only 4 safe camps, and only 1 of those camps has a decent supply of NMs (for hundos). That is of course assuming you-... oh wait, my bad, this discussion has been completely derailed and is no longer about Dynamis. I'll just be on my way.

Yeah, I never bother with Jeuno; it's waaay too cramped for my taste. One bad pull means the whole zone is on your ass. Always my least favorite zone before and after the major revamp of this event.

[katz]

Yikes, this is harsh. I totally disagree with this. You know what happens when a NM is allowed to despawn? All the effort put in to farm the triggers is rendered moot and nobody is any better off. The drops that could have been used to better somebody's character disappear into the void. Collectively, the playerbase is forced to play FFXI a little bit longer to make up for that lost trigger.

Look at it this way. If you are familiar with T3 VNMs in Heroes zones, you might know that they drop Colorless Souls which are very desired because they are used for the second stage of Ochain and Daurdabla. The way VNMs are designed, once hate is cleared (through a wipe or what have you), the NM despawns. The effect is two-fold. First, it presents zombieing, so regardless of whether you have your AoA equipped, the fight is over if you wipe. Secondly, it means that nobody else can grab it if the group dies (barring blockaid or the mob going white).

You know, you talk about your hard work. What about the people who were camping against you along the way? How would you feel if you camped against a group at Chione, got outclaimed, and then watched them wipe to Ogopogo? Isn't that a tremendous waste? If you got outclaimed at Gukumatz and the other group popped and wiped to Sobek and then it despawned, isn't that a waste of everybody's time?

My point? A NM allowed to despawn is time lost for EVERYBODY.

Guess you never read that I solo farmed the pops and didnt waste anyone elses time. I go to do stuff solo when there are not many people in the zone. Its my time Im spending learning. I dont see it as a waste because I learn more about the mob and what to try next with it. As to the vnm Tier 3 I solo those too, so I dont see why you would think its wasting other peoples time.

[katz]

Here's what I consider as very inconsiderate: the lone NMs or BST that runs out of nowhere and pops the NM while you are trying to pop the NM as a group.

IE: You have 6 people at a gigas NM to collect KI for Briareus, and a nin comes out of nowhere and pops one for himself. This, I consider as blatantly rude and inconsiderate.

Laughs at linkshells who cant out pop other people in a 3 nm ring. Seriously, if you in a group and you cant out pop 1 person then it says alot about your shell. Its not rude, you never claimed it, its white, he can pop it because according to others in this discussion everyone has the same right to claim the pop. Next thing you be asking for is a queque line for people to stand at while everyone waits their turn. Big clues in this thread, no mob is any ones, you pop you get it, you take too long or are slow getting mobs no one in the thread cares. I always love the way linkshells pull their trump card out, Im in a bigger group therefore I have more rights. Guess what, you dont.

[Kitkat]

Can't say anyone I go with camps ontop of other groups, but people certainly try to do it to us. If not camp they will run through and kill any NM they are able to get ahold of over us just for the chance of a 100 piece. The worst I've ever done to someone else was kill them after getting charmed by an NM orc, but this was because they ran through and snatched it from the area we were fighting in.

In cities, it is hard not to camp on another group because some areas have so little safe spots to camp at. Dynamis isn't like Abyssea, you don't have refresh atma to keep the mages full on mp, you don't got regen or evasion atma to pull large trains. You find a camp and try to make it work with small saftey zones while trying to allow for room where your mage can /heal if needed. That means you typically end up camping right ontop of another group at times.

In larger areas like Xarc or glacier there isn't as much of a reason for it other than some spots here and there have higher NM spawn chances than others. This means you'll usually have to deal with others showing up on occasions. If you are a solo/duo/trio and a group of 6-12 moves in...well I don't know what to tell you. Either expliot the chance to have easier time to pull NM's or whatever else. Sadly this is the vision SE had for Dynamis and mass majority of the populace thought this was a good idea to appease "casual players" (no I am not one of the supporters of this change), but that is how it is now. Only thing I can say is deal with it or don't....all you can do at this point is belly ache and hope someone sympathizes with you ~shrugs~

[Elexia]

Laughs at linkshells who cant out pop other people in a 3 nm ring. Seriously, if you in a group and you cant out pop 1 person then it says alot about your shell. Its not rude, you never claimed it, its white, he can pop it because according to others in this discussion everyone has the same right to claim the pop. Next thing you be asking for is a queque line for people to stand at while everyone waits their turn.

Guarantee you're one of said people who walks up and pops NMs solo. No other reason, since most groups are usually determining an order for people to pop (especially taking a look at who has x/2-5 KI pops) so no one who has the KI pop, since its usually not a full linkshell on one NM.

It's usually the offenders that defend the behavior she talked about.

[Suirieko]

Laughs at linkshells who cant out pop other people in a 3 nm ring. Seriously, if you in a group and you cant out pop 1 person then it says alot about your shell. Its not rude, you never claimed it, its white, he can pop it because according to others in this discussion everyone has the same right to claim the pop. Next thing you be asking for is a queque line for people to stand at while everyone waits their turn. Big clues in this thread, no mob is any ones, you pop you get it, you take too long or are slow getting mobs no one in the thread cares. I always love the way linkshells pull their trump card out, Im in a bigger group therefore I have more rights. Guess what, you dont.

There's a solid set of rules in game. Like if it's white, it's free game, and there's the thing that's called courtesy. I never said they CAN't because it's against the game rules, I said that they shouldn't because it's basically rude. Linkshell vs Linkshell is one thing, you generally take turns, but when you want to solo an NM, and you see a linkshell working on popping NM, you would generally wait or move on, or ask for turn. That's called being courteous. I don't expect everyone to follow it, but whatever.

Like I said, I'm not complaining whether they have the right to or not, they do. There's a different.

Edit:

It's the same general idea when it comes to stealing NMs. Technically it's legal for people to take another NM when the name. HOwever, people generally don't until everyone involved is dead. Otherwise, actually taking another peolpe's NM just because the name is white, makes you look like an *** whether it's legal or not.

[Camiie]

I haven't gone through the whole thread so sorry if this has been mentioned.

Edit: After seeing the huge derail I guess I shouldn't have worried.

As a warning to those who wish to camp on others; Don't do it while fighting an NM in Dynamis-Sandy... Actually go right ahead.... The charm move hits people outside your party/ally. A solo BST fought Voidstreaker near us, and got a beatdown from us for it after we all got charmed. Funny stuff even if i have BST leveled myself.

Perhaps SE needs to look at their mob placement and make more viable "camps." Sounds like that's the problem here. There's too few places to safely and effectively farm.