Inconsiderate!

[katz]

Oh and I agree monopolizing mobs is bad. Whether its a solo player or an ls who have 18 people waiting to proc the 1 nm x 18. Same difference.

[Rearden]

Why would I fight something 1v1 when my personality and brain capability is tolerable enough to allow for friends?

1xDNC/THF/NIN vs Any mix of Kannagi/Vere or Ukon/Vere comes out behind.

But that's science, and we all know the story about that.

[katz]

why does a champion boxer take on 1:1 when his mates could beat him up quicker. Wheres the skill involved if you want everyone to stand around and watch a tank die and wait for the next tank in the group to take over. Why do people climb mount everest? Because they can and its there. Some times its about proving what you can do without others, other times its about what you can do as a group, neither way is right or wrong. How you know if your gear choice is right, you ask your friends, but what if they give you bad advice for your style of play, its all a game. Choice is one of the fun part of ffxi.

[xbobx]

people with Gokku's opinion need to leave the game. This game was designed as a game that requires community and cooperation. People like that basically just need to leave. In fact if they have this attitude in real life, they need to just leave society and be tossed on some desolate island that matches their attitude of selfishness. This would help to reserve natural resources.

[katz]

Some people think Im selfish for wanting to be the best I can be so that I can support others. If people knew me in the game, they would support Im the least selfish person in the group on group events. Why, because I can solo my stuff. In group events Im there to help the less fortunate. To my knowledge, I have farmed atleast 10 people their ni scrolls and, heres the cruncher, gave it to them for free including my time to get it for them and my seal I have to get the orbs. I freely give new players hints and tips on how to get started and go set up parties with them level sync to their level to help them out. Yet people dont respect sometimes you want to do it for yourself and tell you you are selfish for wanting to try it.......

[Kensagaku]

why does a champion boxer take on 1:1 when his mates could beat him up quicker. Wheres the skill involved if you want everyone to stand around and watch a tank die and wait for the next tank in the group to take over. Why do people climb mount everest? Because they can and its there. Some times its about proving what you can do without others, other times its about what you can do as a group, neither way is right or wrong. How you know if your gear choice is right, you ask your friends, but what if they give you bad advice for your style of play, its all a game. Choice is one of the fun part of ffxi.

T.T I need to stop reading the OF in the morning, it's a headache. But its like a car wreck; you can't help but stop and stare in horror, like it's morbidly attracting.

Anywho, bolded the point I wanted to make. Choice is part of the game? Well it's a person's choice whether or not to take a mob that has gone white. If it's white? To me, it's fair game. If a person simply lost hold of it for a second (i.e. got knocked back and accidentally disengaged) then yeah, I'll leave it be. But if they're apoc-zombieing or have died? Fair game. It's a freebie. My choice would be to take it. Hey look at that, choice can be used by both sides of the argument.

Also, what makes you think it's any less inconsiderate for you to be taking the time to solo when there's another group waiting? You are wasting time by taking a half hour to solo a mob that a moderately skilled group can kill in minutes. You're right, a skilled soloist is better than a below-average alliance that just tosses pink and blue bodies at a mob; you'd likely win, they'd simply have it depop. But a moderate group is going to kill faster than you, is going to do so without wiping (though a few members might die from bad moves), and above all, will be less likely to lose claim on a mob.

When you choose to solo, you also take the risk that being KO'd (even with infinite reraises) means that your mob goes white, and by SE's rules, it is fair game. If you farmed the pop set solo but couldn't take the NM? That's your fault, because either you were underprepared, underskilled, or you just didn't stand a chance. Any GM will tell you that such a mob would be free for anyone to claim, because you no longer have claim over it. You can say "but it was my popset, therefore it is my monster and no one else can have it!" Wrong. The monster belongs to you as long as its name is red (or purple if an alliance member has it, come to think of it why don't they make that red to prevent confusion?), but once it goes white, it is a free game NM for anyone to claim.

Trust me, I like to solo to prove myself too. I've soloed NIN/DNC, I've soloed things on BST, and I've soloed things on BLU. But it's not worth slowing people down or risk losing an NM with good drops to "prove myself". To who, for that matter? The same people whose help you shunned? If I recall correctly you yourself said it's nothing but a game... so why bother proving yourself if it doesn't matter, hm? Either way, soloing is a good way to deal with things if you can't get help, but it's slow, inefficient, and holds up other people and wastes their time. You're welcome to make the choice to do so if you still wish to, but don't go whining when you wipe and someone takes your mob; you wasting their time is just as inconsiderate as them taking "your" mob.

[katz]

The difference is a group gets more than 1 bite of the cherry, but wont allow solo players the same respect. If you see a mob at 1% you say you would rather the group kill it off the dead soloist even though they can get up and claim it again. Who exactly is the selfish person not allowing what.

[Kensagaku]

I would rather the group kill it. The mob could regen and then it'd just be a back-and-forth when the soloist dies again, or it could depop and potential items could be wasted. And while we're on the topic of selfishness, didn't you hear your own point earlier? "I'd rather a mob depop than another group get it, because it and the items it drops are mine." My hypocrisy senses are tingling.

[katz]

On the topic of red v white, AOE spells should set all mobs it hits as red. Ive come across several "leech party payment collectors" who purposely nuke other peoples targets to clear the area. Now if the mob has been AOE only 1 goes red, the targeted mob, the rest are unclaimed and therefore they can target the mobs. Ethical probably as much as charging people to leech. Nothing in SE stops them from doing this, even though they are taking exp from other players (see rules) because the mobs are white you all saying fair game.

[Kensagaku]

That, however, is purposely discourteous versus watching a soloist wipe time and time again against an NM. If you see that someone has pulled a large group of mobs and they have things well under control, then it's best to leave them alone. Exception to this rule is if they've nuked your cleave group, then by all means I encourage retaliation. But when it's an NM that you have people waiting in line for, it's fair game. It's an odd double-standard, I agree, but at the same time it's different levels of courtesy.