Inconsiderate!

[katz]

stealing is stealing no matter what it is. You steal therefore you are a thf and not worthy of listening to. Just because something is there doesnt make it yours to take from someone else. "I see a car with keys in, I drive it away, Im not stealing it, they were foolish to leave the keys in it." try telling that to a judge.

[Korpg]

As much as I will hate this, I will have to agree with the BG crowd on this one. If you fail at 1%, don't cry when somebody takes it at 1% after you died. Only complain when somebody curebombs and steals your mob at 10% or less, and complain to a GM, not a forum.

stealing is stealing no matter what it is. You steal therefore you are a thf and not worthy of listening to. Just because something is there doesnt make it yours to take from someone else. "I see a car with keys in, I drive it away, Im not stealing it, they were foolish to leave the keys in it." try telling that to a judge.

I dropped a $20 on the ground without realizing. You walk up a few minutes later and see that $20. Are you going to leave it there in hopes that nobody but me picks it up or are you going to pocket that $20 and bless your good luck that day?

See, I can add real life situations too.

Point being, you failed at soloing a mob, don't expect people to sit by and letting the mob depop.

[katz]

As much as I will hate this, I will have to agree with the BG crowd on this one. If you fail at 1%, don't cry when somebody takes it at 1% after you died. Only complain when somebody curebombs and steals your mob at 10% or less, and complain to a GM, not a forum.



I dropped a $20 on the ground without realizing. You walk up a few minutes later and see that $20. Are you going to leave it there in hopes that nobody but me picks it up or are you going to pocket that $20 and bless your good luck that day?

See, I can add real life situations too.

Point being, you failed at soloing a mob, don't expect people to sit by and letting the mob depop.

if i saw you drop it, id return it because im not a thf.

[Unleashhell]

and maybe so would about 30% of the people out there.

But that wasn't the situation. You didn't see anyone drop the money, you just see it on the ground.

Besides, that isn't theft. If I dropped money on the ground, that was my mistake. I should have put the money in a safe spot (wallet, money clip). If you see money on the ground, you did not take it from my possession (it was not on my body or inside any clothing or items that I was holding). You do not have a clear concept of theft and possession, it seems like.

Your example makes no comparison. If you walked up on money on the ground and kept it, that is fine being you don't know who it belongs to. If you actually saw the money fall out of someone pocket and you decided hey 20 bucks more for me and 20 bucks less for him then your a scumbag. Your not walking up on a mob that is unclaimed, your watching someone die just so it goes yellow just so you can take it.

Dont worry Katz not all of us are like this. My LS has a rule that if someone wipes and we take claim we give them all drops. 9 times out of 10 they might only want 1 or 2 items from the pool and give us the rest anyway. So its a win win for both parties involved.

[Vold]

Before this is inevitably locked:

stealing is stealing no matter what it is. You steal therefore you are a thf and not worthy of listening to. Just because something is there doesnt make it yours to take from someone else. "I see a car with keys in, I drive it away, Im not stealing it, they were foolish to leave the keys in it." try telling that to a judge.

I wonder if you would hold the same ideals outside of Abyssea. I wonder if you wouldn't take someone else's Nidhogg pop in less than 1.68 seconds after they lolwiped. I wonder if you would let a Kirin depop. Or anything even remotely desirable to kill in this day and age for whatever reason. I'm willing to bet no because it's not as simple as visiting the AH to buy pop items for a NM outside of Abyssea.

Let's be real here. Your group is going to take these pops if people wiped on them. You might be nice enough to offer something out of the kill so long as it's not the drops you're after(and you might even let a Abyssea NM depop to avoid drama because it's really no big loss), but you are never going to stand there and watch a force spawn HNM depop after someone else wiped to it. You know the value of the spawn and you're going to take it long before you watch it despawn with no chance of the other group recovering(nevermind that there are encounters where you can recover just fine while weakened, I have to do it constantly on Suz when it chainspells my ass dead with -ga III instead of using other spells)

My point is, part of the player base seems to have this false belief that Abyssea content is somehow excluded from the normal rules of engagement because they can recover from a wipe, and that's what's going on here with you. I challenge you to admit all of the above. Admit it to earn some respect. If people want to have the viewpoint that you do, that's all fine and dandy(It's even a matter of opinion whether or not it's the right or wrong viewpoint)............






..........as long as they are truthful about how that viewpoint changes the instant they step out of Abyssea.

[katz]

Before this is inevitably locked:

I wonder if you would hold the same ideals outside of Abyssea. I wonder if you wouldn't take someone else's Nidhogg pop in less than 1.68 seconds after they lolwiped. I wonder if you would let a Kirin depop. Or anything even remotely desirable to kill in this day and age for whatever reason. I'm willing to bet no because it's not as simple as visiting the AH to buy pop items for a NM outside of Abyssea.

Let's be real here. Your group is going to take these pops if people wiped on them. You might be nice enough to offer something out of the kill so long as it's not the drops you're after(and you might even let a Abyssea NM depop to avoid drama because it's really no big loss), but you are never going to stand there and watch a force spawn HNM depop after someone else wiped to it. You know the value of the spawn and you're going to take it long before you watch it despawn with no chance of the other group recovering(nevermind that there are encounters where you can recover just fine while weakened, I have to do it constantly on Suz when it chainspells my ass dead with -ga III instead of using other spells)

My point is, part of the player base seems to have this false belief that Abyssea content is somehow excluded from the normal rules of engagement because they can recover from a wipe, and that's what's going on here with you. I challenge you to admit all of the above. Admit it to earn some respect. If people want to have the viewpoint that you do, that's all fine and dandy(It's even a matter of opinion whether or not it's the right or wrong viewpoint)............






..........as long as they are truthful about how that viewpoint changes the instant they step out of Abyssea.

To cut a long story short, why not let it depop, its not yours. No matter how much something is worth if you steal it, its still stealing.

[Yugl]

To cut a long story short, why not let it depop, its not yours. No matter how much something is worth if you steal it, its still stealing.

Because letting mobs depop damages society?

Edit: Oh look, Korpg is getting firsthand experience at how people feel about him.

[Korpg]

To cut a long story short, why not let it depop, its not yours. No matter how much something is worth if you steal it, its still stealing.

Which is the crux of the whole argument, you do not know the proper definition of ownership.