Inconsiderate!

[katz]

Some people think Im selfish for wanting to be the best I can be so that I can support others. If people knew me in the game, they would support Im the least selfish person in the group on group events. Why, because I can solo my stuff. In group events Im there to help the less fortunate. To my knowledge, I have farmed atleast 10 people their ni scrolls and, heres the cruncher, gave it to them for free including my time to get it for them and my seal I have to get the orbs. I freely give new players hints and tips on how to get started and go set up parties with them level sync to their level to help them out. Yet people dont respect sometimes you want to do it for yourself and tell you you are selfish for wanting to try it.......

[katz]

The difference is a group gets more than 1 bite of the cherry, but wont allow solo players the same respect. If you see a mob at 1% you say you would rather the group kill it off the dead soloist even though they can get up and claim it again. Who exactly is the selfish person not allowing what.

[Kensagaku]

I would rather the group kill it. The mob could regen and then it'd just be a back-and-forth when the soloist dies again, or it could depop and potential items could be wasted. And while we're on the topic of selfishness, didn't you hear your own point earlier? "I'd rather a mob depop than another group get it, because it and the items it drops are mine." My hypocrisy senses are tingling.

[katz]

I would rather the group kill it. The mob could regen and then it'd just be a back-and-forth when the soloist dies again, or it could depop and potential items could be wasted. And while we're on the topic of selfishness, didn't you hear your own point earlier? "I'd rather a mob depop than another group get it, because it and the items it drops are mine." My hypocrisy senses are tingling.

And I still stand by it was my hard work that got it to 1% and my hard work that got the pops, why shouldnt I try to kill it if I can or depop it if I cant.

[detlef]

And I still stand by it was my hard work that got it to 1% and my hard work that got the pops, why shouldnt I try to kill it if I can or depop it if I cant.

Yikes, this is harsh. I totally disagree with this. You know what happens when a NM is allowed to despawn? All the effort put in to farm the triggers is rendered moot and nobody is any better off. The drops that could have been used to better somebody's character disappear into the void. Collectively, the playerbase is forced to play FFXI a little bit longer to make up for that lost trigger.

Look at it this way. If you are familiar with T3 VNMs in Heroes zones, you might know that they drop Colorless Souls which are very desired because they are used for the second stage of Ochain and Daurdabla. The way VNMs are designed, once hate is cleared (through a wipe or what have you), the NM despawns. The effect is two-fold. First, it presents zombieing, so regardless of whether you have your AoA equipped, the fight is over if you wipe. Secondly, it means that nobody else can grab it if the group dies (barring blockaid or the mob going white).

You know, you talk about your hard work. What about the people who were camping against you along the way? How would you feel if you camped against a group at Chione, got outclaimed, and then watched them wipe to Ogopogo? Isn't that a tremendous waste? If you got outclaimed at Gukumatz and the other group popped and wiped to Sobek and then it despawned, isn't that a waste of everybody's time?

My point? A NM allowed to despawn is time lost for EVERYBODY.

[katz]

Yikes, this is harsh. I totally disagree with this. You know what happens when a NM is allowed to despawn? All the effort put in to farm the triggers is rendered moot and nobody is any better off. The drops that could have been used to better somebody's character disappear into the void. Collectively, the playerbase is forced to play FFXI a little bit longer to make up for that lost trigger.

Look at it this way. If you are familiar with T3 VNMs in Heroes zones, you might know that they drop Colorless Souls which are very desired because they are used for the second stage of Ochain and Daurdabla. The way VNMs are designed, once hate is cleared (through a wipe or what have you), the NM despawns. The effect is two-fold. First, it presents zombieing, so regardless of whether you have your AoA equipped, the fight is over if you wipe. Secondly, it means that nobody else can grab it if the group dies (barring blockaid or the mob going white).

You know, you talk about your hard work. What about the people who were camping against you along the way? How would you feel if you camped against a group at Chione, got outclaimed, and then watched them wipe to Ogopogo? Isn't that a tremendous waste? If you got outclaimed at Gukumatz and the other group popped and wiped to Sobek and then it despawned, isn't that a waste of everybody's time?

My point? A NM allowed to despawn is time lost for EVERYBODY.

Guess you never read that I solo farmed the pops and didnt waste anyone elses time. I go to do stuff solo when there are not many people in the zone. Its my time Im spending learning. I dont see it as a waste because I learn more about the mob and what to try next with it. As to the vnm Tier 3 I solo those too, so I dont see why you would think its wasting other peoples time.

[detlef]

Guess you never read that I solo farmed the pops and didnt waste anyone elses time. I go to do stuff solo when there are not many people in the zone. Its my time Im spending learning. I dont see it as a waste because I learn more about the mob and what to try next with it. As to the vnm Tier 3 I solo those too, so I dont see why you would think its wasting other peoples time.

If you do stuff solo when there are not many people in the zone, then it sounds like people taking your mobs when you wipe isn't an issue. Thank goodness. I am very relieved to know that your FFXI experience is not negatively impacted by such unscrupulous players. I think it would be best for everybody if you keep playing during off-peak times. Good luck and happy adventuring!

[katz]

On the topic of red v white, AOE spells should set all mobs it hits as red. Ive come across several "leech party payment collectors" who purposely nuke other peoples targets to clear the area. Now if the mob has been AOE only 1 goes red, the targeted mob, the rest are unclaimed and therefore they can target the mobs. Ethical probably as much as charging people to leech. Nothing in SE stops them from doing this, even though they are taking exp from other players (see rules) because the mobs are white you all saying fair game.

[Kensagaku]

That, however, is purposely discourteous versus watching a soloist wipe time and time again against an NM. If you see that someone has pulled a large group of mobs and they have things well under control, then it's best to leave them alone. Exception to this rule is if they've nuked your cleave group, then by all means I encourage retaliation. But when it's an NM that you have people waiting in line for, it's fair game. It's an odd double-standard, I agree, but at the same time it's different levels of courtesy.

[Nianny]

Personally I choose to not take another group's mob when it's yellow and then not help them, but like it's been said here before Yellow = Fair game. If someone decides to take a yellow NM I originally was fighting I can't blame or judge them.